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How to get off Pain killers…

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1. Joe Crivello Said,

   December 26, 2010 @ 7:05 am

   I have been off Oxy IR 30 MG tabs about 360 mg per day for a year. I did go to a detox center to get through the worst, but it has been 12 days now and I have no energy at all. And I don’t want to do anything mentally. What can I do to get rid of the tiredness. Thanks

2. Larry C. Said,

   December 26, 2010 @ 8:49 am

   HI Joe, congrats on getting through the roughest part, the physical withdrawal. For em though, the rough part was also the aftermath, which is what you are going through right now. Which is where your body has to re-learn how to make endorphins. The tiredness and lackadaisical attidue will go away but it may take a couple of weeks. This part was the worst for me as I was depressed and that’s what I feel is one of the hard parts that keeps painkiller addicts addicted, they just want to feel better and the one thing that will make them feel better immediately, is more. More painkillers. But don’t do it. You can go to a doctor and ask to be put on suboxone, but they may not since you have already gone through the physical withdrawal.

   I would just tough it out for a few more days or a couple weeks and you will definitely feel better. eat healthy, drink lots of water. If you have a gym membership, I know it probably even hurts thinking of going to the gym, but going to the gym will actually make you feel a lot better. Lifting or any form of exercise that gets the adrenaline and endorphins flowing will make you feel better. It also helps the body to relearn how ot make endorphins which will help you from getting depressed. Your body is going through an adjustment period, and it’s going to take a little while but it won’t be long till your back up and having fun, without the painkillers.

   also Google PAWS or post acute withdrawal syndrome. you will also go through that while your body heals itself.
   Think of this, you never have to do this again once your done with it.
   Good luck and happy holidays.

3. Cecelia Arnold Said,

   December 27, 2010 @ 3:25 pm

   I’m addicted to oxycodone IR 30mg been on this for 1 year now. Taking up 7 a day, then to 4. Friday was the last time that I had a 30, a friend gave me a suboxen strip which was what I did Sat. Also , I did 1/4 of suboxone today, I was wondering will I still experience major withdrawls, I tried to go cold turkey and put myself in the hospital for 4 days, the first 2 was in a morphine induced coma, and shots of phenbarbutal. I have a bad heart and I’m very scared that I will have to be admitted or am I through the worst withdrawls.

4. Larry C. Said,

   December 27, 2010 @ 6:29 pm

   Hi Cecelia, you should probably see a doctor if you have a bad heart. Giving an addict an opiate to withdraw from an opiate is sorta backwards, IE the morphine induced coma to help you withdraw? Withdrawal usually takes 7-10 days for the physical part and much longer for the emotional and mental part. Like I said, I would suggest seeing an addiction specialist, as I am not qualified professionally to help you in what you might need.
   I just know from my experience it takes a good 7-10 days for the physical part.
   Good Luck!
   PS Suboxone is great for withdrawing off of Oxycodone, but you might only want to be on it for a short period of time. You also have to be in a bit if a withdrawal before you take it otherwise you will go into precipitated withdrawal, which sucks.

5. jason las vegas Said,

   January 22, 2011 @ 8:43 pm

   ive been clean for four days now when i wake up i feel a burst of energy…but around 5-9 pm i cant move..i thought the medicine should only be in your system 72 hours…my question is i have a very bad craving now and i was wondering if i take a half of a pill will it mess my whole withdrawal time up?

6. jason las vegas Said,

   January 22, 2011 @ 8:53 pm

   i am also experiencing sneezing? and does anyone know if there is a vitamin for endorphins ? ive been taking valium and they seem to help and take the edge off a little,,i am fully aware i can get addicted to them..but i only take 1 a day ive taken a total of 4 in 4 days is this safe? or am i getting in to another habit? by the way i am kicking the demon drug percocett cold turkey.

7. Larry C. Said,

   January 23, 2011 @ 8:51 am

   Sneezing is normal. There is no vitamin for Endorphins, the fastest way to get your brain back on track is exercise. Valium is ok for taking the edge off, but you probably shouldn’t use it more than a couple days. just power through the withdrawal. Otherwise your just prolonging the agony.

8. Larry C. Said,

   January 23, 2011 @ 8:52 am

   It’s going to take time getting through this. I would say give yourself about 30 days to feel “Normal” again.

9. james Said,

   January 24, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

   I have been taking 4-6 norco 5/325 for a year or so, and vicodin for a couple years before that. I have gooten off of them several times and have endured WD’s. I am now on day 4. I have headaches and cannot sleep. I called in to work today to try and get some sleep. I did taper off the last week to 2-3 a day. If I did not have the restless legs, and sleepless nights, I would be ok. Hopefully I can sleep tonite. My wife has no idea I have become addicted to these pills, she just thinks it is my herniated disc acting up. Problem is, I have a lot of pain, I just take to much norco. I am not sure how I am going to handle this. Try to take it as the script says I think, but i do not want to end up back in WD’s again.

10. Larry C. Said,

    January 26, 2011 @ 6:35 pm

    as long as you are taking it consistently, you will have withdrawals.
    I too have bad back issues but am now pain free.
    The way I was able to get pain free from back pain is the add in the sidebar of this site for “Lose the back pain“.

    You might take a look at that as an alternative.
    I also use a variety of supplements for my back aside from that, Flexicose, Magnesium, Fish Oils, all help immensely with back pain and do not have the addictive properties.

11. jeff Said,

    February 5, 2011 @ 10:28 am

    Hi my name is jeff, and I have been doing ir 30′s for about a year and the first six months was just for fun and I was on top of the world, and then I got to where I needed it and the past few weeks I have been doing about five a day. A couple days ago I did one 30 so I could sleep. And now I don’t have any access to it. I can’t stand the withdrawls, I have been taking a lot of vitamin c. I tried to call clinics yesterday for help and they can’t help until Monday. What can I do to get through the next couple days without going crazy, any help please let me know thank you!

12. Larry C. Said,

    February 5, 2011 @ 10:46 am

    I’d say just bite the bullet and wait till monday, but then by that time, your through the hardest part, and shouldn’t need anything. a normal opiate withdrawal lasts about 5 days, and then it’s pretty much over. So why take something when you are almost done with it, and prolong it?
    Look at it this way, each day you make it through, is another day you never have to do this ever again, unless of course you want to.
    Or you can get my info eBook, and learn what you need to go see the doctor, what questions to ask, the answer you need and where to save money, lot’s of money on your prescriptions.
    Good Luck.
    Keep me posted as to how you do.

13. Jorin Said,

    February 13, 2011 @ 11:36 am

    Withdrawals don’t necessarily last about 5 days. My emotional withdrawals had me on suicide watch on day 14. Everyone has a different experience. Immodium works because it has a “fake” opitate receptor that makes the cramps lessen. Benadryl will really help you sleep. Epsom salt baths will help with the “heebie jeebies”.

    Everyone has really good advise. Exercise. Good food IF you can eat. A 12-step group, even if you don’t agree – they will keep you sane. However, don’t think that you can necessarily “ride it out” and get to work every day. I’ve already missed 5 days of work and don’t feel any better. Good Luck.

14. Colleen Charles Said,

    February 13, 2011 @ 3:32 pm

    Hi I’m Colleen. I’m 50 years old and have arthritis all over. I tested positive for Lupus but have been too worried and scared to follow up on that so I’ve been just ignoring it.

    I’ve been taking 15 mg of oxycontin every morning for three years for my arthritis. Now I’m moving to another town and believe I won’t be able to find a doctor willing to continue my prescription so I’ve decided to stop taking it and look for alternative ways to manage my pain.

    I will have four weeks to wean off once my final refill is filled. I have 5 mg vicodins (about forty pills) for breakthrough pain that I’ve broken in half and plan to use for tapering off. I’ve tried to stop cold turkey in the past but had restless legs and depression, not to mention the original arthritis pain which was –surprise– still there.

    One last thing: my painkillers have been shielding me from dealing honestly with a traumatic event that took place in my life 15 months ago; one in which I’ve been grieving every day. It’s time to deal with this event so I can move on with my life. I need to dump my pain pills to get my joy back and to become emotionally stable enough to start exercising and doing whatever else I need to do to manage my arthritis– and Lupus.

    Thank you for any comments or suggestions.

15. Larry C. Said,

    February 14, 2011 @ 7:42 am

    Hi Colleen, ignoring your Lupus diagnosis won’t make it go away. I’m also sure that being on the pain meds has also helped yo to ignore it. There are other, natural ways to deal with arthritis, you can Google natural ways to treat arthritis.
    I’m sorry to hear of your recent life obstacles but please keep us posted on how you do.

16. Larry C. Said,

    February 14, 2011 @ 7:55 am

    I’ll agree on the work thing. If you’re going to do the cold turkey withdraw, and try to do it alone, plan on staying home and not going to work for at least a week or two. Good Luck.

17. Larry C. Said,

    February 14, 2011 @ 9:02 am

    Hi Colleen, I also remembered this stuff I use for joint pain, called Flexicose. You can get it here at Amazon: Flexicose Joint and Arthritis Pain Relief

18. Colleen Charles Said,

    February 14, 2011 @ 8:08 pm

    Thank you Larry

    Do you know how long the body takes to start manufacturing endorphins again once the opioids have been stopped? Does a 15 mg/day oxycontin dose sound like a difficult dose to wean from… it seems like I read a lot about much higher doses people have to deal with; am I being naive in thinking this will be relatively easy?

    Were it you, would you utilize 2.5 mg of vicodin PRN to do this taper, or would you strictly cold-turkey it and throw everything away?

    Thank you so much for your prompt responses to everyone, and thanks very much for the suggestion of Flexicose… I am going to try it!

    Yours… Colleen

19. Ben Said,

    March 3, 2011 @ 5:05 am

    Hi everyone im a 22 yr old male who received 10mg blue watsons from a friend for fun.. The fun turned into a need an I took about 6-8 a day for 3 months an now am 5 days threw my withdrawl an I cant sleep at all and I get chills only at night.. I also am going threw the depression stage an am very scared for wat my future holds an am dealing now with anxiety.. I feel I cant do the things now I did do when I took tabs like parties, go to mall, even my job… I jus wannna feel normal again an am very scared about life does anyone kno if these feelings will go away??? Thank you for listening!

20. Larry C. Said,

    March 3, 2011 @ 9:51 am

    Hi Ben, it’s ONLY been 5 days. Give yourself a break, and try to relax. everything WILL return back to normal. it’s just going to take a little time. You’ve been doing this for 3 months, it’s going to take a few weeks maybe, maybe longer, maybe less. but you will be fine and it will get better and return to normal. just give it a little time. the worst part it over.
    Larry

21. sam Said,

    March 4, 2011 @ 5:59 am

    hi its been 15 days now that im clean, iv been on a large doses of oxy 80 and 30s , but the thing is i feel really really good but i cant sleep like i use to and some night i dont sleep at all, for some reason i think this is the longest that i havent slept after quitting this crap. has anyone experienced this before? my energy is finally up like theres no tomorrow , and the thing is i didnt quit because i dont have access to to , i have all the access but im sick of it and i have a 2 year old boy i dont want him to grow up in couple years and notice whats going on.

22. Larry C. Said,

    March 4, 2011 @ 12:14 pm

    Yeah, you will be getting back to a normal sleep pattern soon. it takes a while to get back to normal after opiate abuse. It’s not like tweaking, where you can eat a meal, go to sleep for a couple days and your good to go. Opiates really change your whole brains chemistry, so when you get off them, it takes a while to get back to normal. Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome can last a couple years even in some cases. But you’ll be sleeping soon enough if you stay off the shit.
    Good on you for getting clean. Do it for yourself, not just your baby.
    Larry

23. Brett Said,

    March 6, 2011 @ 11:18 am

    Entering day 4 of withdrawal from suboxone. Be as careful with this stuff as anything else. it’s really rough.

24. Brett Said,

    March 6, 2011 @ 11:43 am

    Interesting thing about subosone it is used in other countries other than US as pain killer. I thought I was safe as there really is that much of a high to it. Just killed the pain. But it is expensive if your paying out of pocket. Got all the symptoms though not the run’s crossing my fingers. I did a 17 day taper down to a very small amount and have got say I’m really surprised at the extent of my withdrawal symptoms. Hope it starts to get better soon all so have no depression yet- hope it stays that- though I’ have to say me depressions has been tied to being -hooked on this crap.

    Here is some advice on the depression aspect. You should be depressed that your on this junk. When getting anxious try and put in perspective, and DON’T think to much, don’t look to far forward, live in the moment and just keep thinking of the freedom you’ll have once off them and how much money you’ll save. Depression is your mind trying to get back ot the opium train.

25. Larry C. Said,

    March 6, 2011 @ 6:47 pm

    Brett, I didn’t have any depression at all when I got off suboxone. That was the saving grace, because that’s what kept me going back to the opiates, the depression. I just wanted to be happy again, and stop feeling like shit. The physical withdrawal from suboxone is a bit harder for some people, but the best thing is there’s no depression from it. so when you get done with the physical, it’s much better than if you were on a full opiate.

26. Brett Said,

    March 6, 2011 @ 11:34 pm

    Thanks Larry it’s nice have a voice in the wilderness. weird how none of us want to talk with people we know.
    Say do the symptoms leave quickly or just taper off- the withdrawl’s that is? How quickly do your sleeping patterns get back to normal?

    It’s 11:08 and I can’t sleep. So restless and hands tingle, very annoying. Going into my fourth day. I think I feel tiny bit better-maybe.

    I’ve been pretty much flat on my back on my boat all this time. I figured I’d get away from everyone-the old fake flu. I did the taper at home came here at the end the 17 or so days of tapering.

    Going a bit stir crazy here but I think better than being with family. This seems like such a personal thing a purge of sorts. I wonder if doing the anesthesia thing is better than this way? Maybe it’s better to feel this crap, rather sleep through it.
    Funnily, my father quit smoking because of burst aorta, was in hospital for 6 weeks and that cut out his withdrawl’s.

    But not feeling is the attraction for opiates isn’t it. So maybe it’s is better to start the whole thing off with a terrible bang use this a reminder not to go back.

    We delude ourselves by take this stuff for pain but honestly after awhile it doesn’t really take the pain away it just gets you high- the pain is always there.

27. Brett Said,

    March 7, 2011 @ 11:09 pm

    Now entering my 5th day, I think, God knows how many times I’ve counted the days. So I took my last pill Thursday morning and it’s now Monday evening. I’ve been essentially bed bound for all that time-”the flu”. Last night was really rough couldn’t sleep. I really thought about having a few drinks but quit that too, so didn’t, booze not a problem.

    I think I feel better today but still feel very cold- weird for me as I’m not a cold kind of person.

    Symptoms:
    Extreme sensitivity of the skin
    Extreme restlessness
    Can’t sleep
    can barely stand up without getting very lite headed.
    Haven’t had the runs though- and kind of find that interesting as it’s something people talk about. So maybe it waiting for me- as long as I get rid of the other symptoms I won’t mind that to much.

    For me the most debilitating is the lack of sleep. But I’m trying to completely clean up so don’t want to use anything.

    In a way I want to go through this- I deserve it and it’s a good lesson.

    I know people find this hard to do- the quitting- but come on you can handle anything for 5-7 days right?
    Taper, taper, taper.

    Again my addiction is Suboxone, so as good as it is for getting off opiates it’s still packs a serious wallop, but I suppose that if you’re switching to it from opiates the will make it easier for you.

28. Larry C. Said,

    March 7, 2011 @ 11:48 pm

    My detox from suboxone was pretty rough. 30 days. It came in waves. the worst was the first 7 days. by day 7 I thought I had it licked, but day 8 it started all over again. every 7 days, it cycled through, a bit better than the week before, but by day 30, I was finished. It was done.

    My arms are pretty hairy, but I tell you I was so sensitive that my hair hurt. if you brushed up against my hair, it would kill me…

29. Larry C. Said,

    March 7, 2011 @ 11:51 pm

    I tapered way too fast. my doctor wanted me to taper over the course of a few months, I did it in 2 weeks. maybe you will be better off than me. I was trashed for a months and my sleep didn’t return for at least 3 weeks. Everyone’s different. Keep talking…I’m here.

30. Brett Said,

    March 8, 2011 @ 10:08 am

    Morning day 5(?), slept four hours (I hope this can help others going through this), fell better today. Still a little tingly, and restless. Considering I’ve been pretty much bed bound for 4 days that seems normal. Will try to get out walk around today. Haven’t been up to it yet though. Still no diarrhea, been taking Imodium regularly so maybe that is helping. Being on a boat through this “the runs” would be problematic, after a point. No depression but then I was depressed from the drugs so I keep telling myself that shouldn’t be an issue and I try not to let it be one, and instead thank god I’m finally doing this and please don’t'let me slip back in.

    I had thought to be further along than this going into day 5 but definitely feeling better. Though have to say I’ve kind of forgotten what normal is.

    As uncomfortable as this is you can do this it’s only 5-7 for the worst of it right? You can handle anything for that long.

31. Brett Said,

    March 8, 2011 @ 10:54 pm

    Going into day 6 felt better, but it comes in waves. Actually made it to the store and back-tiring. Hope I can sleep tonight, the worst is the lack of sleep. I hadn’t want to use anything, but if I did this again I’d get a very strong sleeping medication for the nights. Valium I think would be best.

    Little bit of runs, but the Imodium seems to be handling that. Started to find myself getting emotional about things, not so much depressed as feeling- maybe it’s been so long that I forgot what that was like. Heard song and wanted to cry-stupid I know.

    I didn’t realize how impacted I was physically until I went to the store it was a real hard, as though I was very sick. Even driving was hard, I was distracted. It took me about 10 tries to use my credit card properly to rent a movie.

    I think, doing this again the main things to do is; plan one at least 7 days of nothing, sleeping med’s, Imodium, and a very none stressful environment, your not going to be up to dealing with much, if anything for that period.

32. Larry C. Said,

    March 9, 2011 @ 1:09 am

    Stupid? I think not. I would go to the gym while getting through the detox, it was a mother fucker, but the ipod filled with good music really helped. However if a certain song or another would come on while I was on the elliptical, I’d start tearing up, almost crying, but I had to hold back as I was at the gym.
    Then after about 20 minutes of cardio, I started to really feel better. my bain started to kick in some endorphins and it really made me see the light at the end of the tunnel. After the workout, I would go soak in the hot tub in the mens locker room. for 20-30 minutes, which helped to relax the muscles and bones. Also used the foam rolls to roll on my back. That helped to squeeze toxins out of my muscles that had accumulated in the muscle tissue. I would pee cloudy after the foam rolling. The more you start to move around now, and do some form of exercise, the faster and better you will feel.

33. Brett Said,

    March 9, 2011 @ 10:20 pm

    Going on to day 7 still not over it, seems to have leveled off but not gotten better. Hopefully tomorrow will see some improvement. Still not really able to do much- tiresome. Sleep is still the big issue, even having a nightcap, haven’t had a drink in sometime, but drinking is not problem. Just hoping it will help. Tried a sleeping cold med but it messy with me to much- they should have just stuck with a little booze in that stuff instead of whatever they use now.

    Really want this to end.

34. Larry C. Said,

    March 10, 2011 @ 12:03 am

    Hey Brett, keep me posted on how it goes tomorrow …

    These last 7 days, you will never have to do again, ever, if you don’t want to. This 7 days is over and done. just keep on it. it will get better, I assure you, and you will not ever want to do another opiate after this ever again. You’re going to be so stoked when you make it through the other side.

    I know this sounds esoteric, but I always went to the center of the pain and misery, just to be in the center of it, to feel it, to hate it, to enjoy it, to feel it, to be one with it. It’s going to be make getting through this that much better, sweeter.

35. Nick Said,

    March 10, 2011 @ 11:57 am

    Hey guys. Just wanted to say, I’m on day 2 of w/d. Sweaty palms, restlessness, can’t sleep, aches, all kinds of terrible stuff. Had surgery this winter, got a ridic amount of tramadol and vicodin for it, then got 180 more tramadols plus various other stuff from kids around college. I happen to be on spring break so I kinda planned it like this, but it’s still godawful. I can eat fine (have another drug to help with that) but runs and the rest of the stuff is terrible.

    I took vicodin for a long time in high school and still get urges for it years later. I haven’t heard about the want possibly staying around for that long. I thought my brain was just fucked and I was done. Thanks for showing me it’s not all bad. You have no idea how important that is to me.

    I also read somewhere that situation contributes a huge amount to addiction. I’m much more likely to do drugs when I’m not occupied, so I think there’s a lot of truth in the exercising-and-doing-stuff mantra.

    Fuck, I mean, I just hate thinking of myself as a drug addict. Little tiny pills should not be able to control a person like this.

36. Larry C. Said,

    March 10, 2011 @ 12:51 pm

    Yeah Nick, you are far from being alone. Many people will not say a thing, but if you go to an NA meeting, you will hear all about it, and you’ll find help too. I personally don’t have any cravings whatsoever for opiates I don’t know if I am lucky or if the Suboxone I took helped, but I have no cravings at all. You might have what’s called PAWS(post acute withdrawal syndrome) which is what happens if you abused drugs so much for a long period of time, it’s going to take your brain and body to get back to normal. It might take some time, but you will get back to normal. Oh and Opiates are a different kind of monkey, they will haunt you for a LONG time after you get off. So getting into a program of like a 12 step variety, would probably help with having support around you.
    Keep us posted….
    Larry

37. Angie Said,

    March 14, 2011 @ 9:08 am

    Ok. So I’ve ben taking 1 to 3 percs (10 mg) a day for 6 months and trying to quit. Should I be having wd for such a small amt? I can’t sleep

38. Larry C. Said,

    March 14, 2011 @ 1:00 pm

    Hi Angie, any pill addict or junkie will tell you a habit is still a habit no matter how small or large. Yes Withdrawals are going to probably happen. not sleeping is a sure sign of withdrawal. Good Luck!!!

39. Angie Said,

    March 14, 2011 @ 1:46 pm

    Thank u larry. I’m trying! Hopefully i wont be miserable for long. It’s just my 1st day

40. Larry C. Said,

    March 14, 2011 @ 3:26 pm

    Hey Angie, the first day is usually not the worst. It’s usually the 2nd and 3rd days that re the worst, as withdrawal sets it, and the drug leaves your body more and more over the course of the next few days, it will probably get worse. Just keep responding back here and let everyone know how you’re doing and stay focused. It will be over soon and you won’t have to ever do it again.

41. Dan Said,

    March 17, 2011 @ 3:57 am

    G’day mate,
    I’ve been on oxy’s for over a year now for chronic pain, it’s now ruining mine and my families life. I unfortunatley suffer PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) from my deployment to Iraq in 2007 as an Australian soldier. I’m now about to go into my 3rd day of the weening process, but I’m finding the feeling of beeing depressed is really the debilitating part. I just wanna know when this feeling will subside? I’m currently taking 150mg of pristiq (Desvenlafaxine) so I’m hoping once the oxy’s finally leave my system it will give that a chance to finaly work to there full potential. I forgot to mention i’m prescibed oxy 20mg twice daily, and 10mg oxy once a day, but Ive definatly overdone those dosages for quite some time now to help get me through the Psychological issues. I appreciate any comments or just general support.
    Cheers
    Dan

42. Angie Said,

    March 17, 2011 @ 5:51 am

    Day 4 and I feel so much better! Still cant sleep for very long but most of the other symptoms are gone. This site has been a tremendous help and inspiration for me. Thank u Larry. U and everyone here sharing their stories are helping save lives!

43. Ryan Said,

    March 19, 2011 @ 3:16 pm

    I have been taking 2-3 norcos (5/325) at once per day for a year or two. I took 4 at once (my last 4) 5 days ago and decided I’m done. I have moderate sweats and chills at night, head aches at night, restless legs at night, and I can’t fall asleep till 6-8 in the AM. None of these things are too severe. My main concern is my stomach. I have haital ahernia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiatus_hernia) and I’m not sure if my stomach problems are related to that or my opiate dependency. I wake up each morning with burning in my stomach (abdomen). It isn’t cramps, or a stomach ache. Just constant burning that is driving me crazy. I should mention that I woke up just about every morning like this while I was taking the norco also but it would go away with in 20 mins. Now it lasts all day and night until the next day. Also, day 4 I woke up with no pain at all but day 5 (today) it was back and as bad as ever. I did find that some cardio at the gym had an immediate positive effect but by night time my stomach problem would come back (usually) and I feel like all my other symptoms were really kicked up a notch as well. I am also starting to think that maybe I am doing too much cardio (5 miles on treadmill)? Okay I’m digressing… bottom line is my stomach is driving me crazy and I’m not sure why.

44. Larry C. Said,

    March 21, 2011 @ 7:37 pm

    Awesome Angie, hope you’re still doing well.

45. Larry C. Said,

    March 21, 2011 @ 7:38 pm

    You should probably see a doctor about your stomach, it could be bad.

46. Rob Said,

    March 22, 2011 @ 6:56 am

    I am a long term opiate addict. Tried on my own for 13 years with 12 step group to get off. Always went back after some time. Finally decided to go to methadone clinic. I never abused it. I then weaned down on that after a year and went on Suboxone for more than 3 years. This process saved my life. It took me almost a six month taper to have little in the way w/d symptoms, but still had them. For a good ten days w/o anything I was extermely lethargic. Today at about day 50, I still don’t sleep great. I have a ton of other symptoms too, but I expected it. It gets a little better each day. My life has been great since the start of methadone to where I am today. It’s all worth it. hang in there.

47. Jay Said,

    March 22, 2011 @ 7:50 am

    Hello, I have been on and off with the use of opiates for about 2 years and a half, I would use only for about a couple times a month. But this past month I ended up using almost everyday about an 80mg of oxycontin (small army green colored pill) and now I decided this is too much and I needed to quit. It’s been 4 days since I last used. The physical withdrawal part is mostly over, just a slight hot/cold flushes from time to time. But the main thing about me now is the insomnia. At night I feel so restless, tossing and turning trying to get some sleep in. I started to think i was hallucinating while trying to sleep.. It’s terrible. I am thinking about going to the doctors and ask to get prescribed some kind of sleep medication. Do you think I should wait couple more days or a week or two to see if my Insomnia will go away? or would it be better to go straight to a doctor and get prescribed.

48. Larry C. Said,

    March 22, 2011 @ 8:44 am

    Jay, wait it out. Enjoy the sleep deprivation and find out why it works so well for torture and information extraction. hahahaha
    seriously though take hot baths, to help relax you before trying to sleep, eat a heavy meal if you can, it will help. When I was going through the detox there were times I wasn’t sure if I slept or not. It was like twilight, where I was sorta sleeping and sorta still awake. you get *some* rest and yet it’s a tease. The restlessness is a pain in the ass and drives people crazy, but stick with it your almost through it all.

49. Jay Said,

    March 22, 2011 @ 9:58 am

    do you think smoking marijuana would help with the insomnia?

50. Larry C. Said,

    March 22, 2011 @ 12:05 pm

    I’m not going to answer that question. I didn’t smoke pot when I was detoxing, I stopped using drugs. Pot is a drug. Just tough it out. It will help you to not want to do this ever again.
    Good Luck.

51. theresa w. Said,

    March 22, 2011 @ 12:45 pm

    Hi everyone, i dont know what is happening to me? i was taken off all my meds which was 40 mg oxycontin 3x’s a day with 30 mg oxycode 8x day and klonopin 1 mg 2x a day. Last wed the 16th my new doctor swithched me to methadone 30 mg 3x a day with morpine 15mg 6x a day only. 2 days ago I started hearing voices, fingers numb, mouth dry, crying all the time. I have thoughts like I am going to die, and the back pain is very real right now. I could handle the pain but the other mental issues are making me crazy. I dont know what to do, but i am scared. I am unable to go anywhere because my legs twitch and hands are numb and mind is in dreamlike state. Anyone ever feel this before? Would love to here advice on what u think. This does not seem like normal w/d.

52. Larry C. Said,

    March 22, 2011 @ 2:18 pm

    sounds like a bad reaction to meds. you should probably talk to your doctor.

53. theresa w. Said,

    March 23, 2011 @ 2:52 pm

    Went to doctors today, i figured from all the symptoms and reading i did it is called post acute withdrawal syndrome. he basically sent me into pschosis by taking klonopin away cold turkey and by starting methadone so quickly. he and i do not get along he is a huge prick and i had to get the office manager in there and he is not the doctor i was referred to but is in his group so i had no choice. he is tryn to cancel me off his servicws and not see me again without refering me to a primary or another specialist which is illegal, so i have to wean off everything and deal w the mental phycosis for as long as i can, or if it gets too bad i need to go to hospital. its scary as heck. i wish it was just a bad reaction, that would be easily fixed. thank u for replying, definetly a side i didnt think about so thanks. hope it goes away without me having a seizure

54. Stefan Said,

    March 23, 2011 @ 2:56 pm

    Hi Guys,
    I’m on day 8 of sobriety. I originally got put on oxycontin 90mg per day ( 30mg x3) due to that I lost my arm in an car crash (3 years ago).
    The only symptoms I have now (days 1-6 were horrible…I lost 8 pounds coz I was so sick) are that I keep on waking up with real bad anxiety and anxiety for the rest of the day (I can’t sit still) and general insomnia. I also, keep on feeling really down about everything and that life wont ever feel the same ( as it did before I started taking these things).
    I’m not suicidal though (I know what that’s like- I felt that way a few months after the accident).
    WILL these problems eventually go away??
    Thanks so much,
    Stefan

55. Larry C. Said,

    March 23, 2011 @ 11:08 pm

    Stefan, the physical will probably go away pretty quickly, the emotional(anxiety) may stay around for a while. opiates really fuck with the emotional system. it could be a while. talk to a psychiatrist and maybe get some wellbutrin or something. an anti anxiety drug, but only do it for as long as needed and get off.

56. Larry C. Said,

    March 23, 2011 @ 11:09 pm

    sounds like a loser for a doctor. bummer. I’d go see someone else if you can. but good for you for calling in the office manager.
    Awesome!

57. thersa Said,

    March 24, 2011 @ 8:46 am

    Larry,
    Yeah no one seems to believe that it it happened like that except that they were there. i am dumbfounded. he didnt even once ask me about my level of pain at this time or the last visit. thing is i have no primary and i am under there care so it is up to them to refer me to someone and he is trying to get rid of me and say “hey, i gave her scripts for a rapid detox, so she should be fine and never address the pain w the disc or anything, he said he couldnt do anything till he got the note from my old primary, and film. he had both and never even looked at them and now it is 24 hrs of no opiates but i am on the klonopin at a low dose to taper off while going thru the withdrawals. i am most frightened of if i get seizures, while my son is here. i hope i can taper off the klonopin this time safely in about 2 weeks. does that sound right? i dont know what im doing. but im going to try and fight this every day. i havent heard the voices yet today but i was listen to music in my head the whole way home from doctor yesterday and i know they are not real but was kind of bugged out that i didnt freak. i have to keep asking people if they heard this and that, so i know what real and whats not. i dont like that at all. i should have never wound up like this if he just did his job right and not try and detox me the first day he seen me as a patient without knowing my history. never should have changed things and now has decided to rapid detox me on his own. that is not his job. i came for help with back pain not to a drug and alcohol treatment center.

58. Stefan Said,

    March 24, 2011 @ 10:09 am

    Thanks Larry for your help!

59. theresa w. Said,

    March 24, 2011 @ 4:40 pm

    Hi everyone. I hope yall are doing ok/ still a scary road for me/ i am doing some “thomas recipe with weaning klonopin while gng off the methadone and morphine. ever heard of it? This is so un fair, i went there for pain managment not to be put into a detox program and then medicated so that i go psycotic. i know i am gng to feel crap for a long time. nothin happen yet, but i am scared of everything. people around me keep telling me i could die and get to hospital but i have done alot of research and think i will be ok now that i have the klonopin to help deal with the effects. any advice is needed. i will wean off those next. one thing at a time. and i have to find a doctor. great! more stress

60. bayne Said,

    March 27, 2011 @ 5:15 pm

    Been off 10 Green Beans a day now for 6 days 10s. Everyday seems to get a little better. Been on these since 1993 when i was almost killed in a coal mining accident!! Had an epithany&finally wokeup&realized it was time to stop!!! Quitting on my own,it sure as hell aint been easy!!! At times it,s been pure agony!!! I have been using 3 immodium a day also 2 valium 10s!!! The valium takes away the heeby geebys!!! It’s not for everbody but works for me!!! I hope to keep clean all i can do is go at it one day at a time &attend N.A. Good luck to us all as we strive each&every day to stay clean& sober

61. Clint C. Said,

    March 29, 2011 @ 10:19 am

    I have been taking oxycodone 30mg (anywhere from 2-7 a day) for about 6 months. The last 3 weeks or so, I’ve been using suboxone to taper down to about 1mg a day. I quit completely yesterday, and now about 24 hours out, my withdrawal symptoms are minimal. I have had some aches and chills, diarrhea, and occasional restless legs. Ibuprofen and immodium have been somewhat effective. I was prepared for agony, but figured it would have started by now, 24 hours out since they withdrawals started. Is there a chance I tapered down enough to avoid the worst of it? Could it be taking longer than 24 hours for the withdrawals really begin to get bad? Just trying to figure out what I need to prepare for. Any info would be helpful. I feel like the better I can be mentally prepared what what I’m going to experience, the better my chances are to make it through this.

62. Larry C. Said,

    March 29, 2011 @ 10:35 am

    Give yourself another day. Withdrawals usually hit around the 2-3 day, when you really start detoxing. Good luck and keep us posted.
    Thanks.

63. Clint C. Said,

    March 30, 2011 @ 6:12 am

    im now past the 36 hour mark and almost to the 48 hour mark. Headaches have increased, restlessness feelings and achiness are a little worse, however no real diarrhea like I was experiencing yesterday, and no throwing up so far. Overall still much more bearable than I was thinking. Hands down the worst part is the restless feeling whenever I’m sitting/lying down. Is there still the possibility it will hit hard after the 48 hour mark?

64. Larry C. Said,

    March 30, 2011 @ 8:50 am

    Everyone’s different Clint, we’ll have to wait for you to update us, but it’s a good possibility it could. But good luck, and stay the course. Just remember, every day, hour, minute that goes by, is one that you don’t have to do again. Unless of course you want to.

65. Clint C. Said,

    March 30, 2011 @ 1:30 pm

    I really don’t understand it, but it’s a little over 48 hours out, and I’m feeling drastically better. No more chills, aches, and my headache and restlessness are almost gone. There were many times during my 6-8 months of being on percocet that I had to go without for different lengths of time, and I would have withdrawals 12-15 hours in that were WAY worse than anything i’ve experienced this week. I decided to come clean to my parents, who are very religious, so I’ve had their encouragement throughout this, and they are praying like crazy, so that’s the only thing I can think of. But having a place to sake questions and get advice has been amazing for my peace of mind. Thanks Larry!

66. Larry C. Said,

    March 30, 2011 @ 2:17 pm

    that’s what the site is here for…

67. Angie Said,

    March 30, 2011 @ 6:18 pm

    Day 17 for me guys, and I’m gonna make it! For every one out there thinking of giving up or going back to using because the withdrawal is too much-DONT! You ARE stronger than a pill! It DOES get better! Life is still rough at times, but this is one of those situations that TRULY make you a stronger person. Tough it out, seek support from family or friends and say alot of prayers! It works! You CAN make it thru this! Good luck and God bless you all.

68. Larry C. Said,

    March 30, 2011 @ 8:47 pm

    Awesome Angie!!!! Keep it up, it’s posts like these that people need to be able to read.

69. theresa w. Said,

    April 1, 2011 @ 7:20 am

    Day 9 and its getting better everyday. i am still using the vitamins and drinking the shakes, but i have been out of bed to eat solid food, YES!!!!And even made homeade soup. I dont have the support of family because they believe in the ” mind over matter” approach and cant understand and even say, if u talk about it, it will come back more,lol. they r cute. I have Joyce Meyer on DVR so she is great to watch for support and laughter. Too Funny. Ur right Angie prayers help alot. And coming here to check on everyones progress is promising. be well today and love urself today!!!!Take Care everyone. Stay safe and well.

70. Larry C. Said,

    April 1, 2011 @ 10:22 am

    I have one question, what Kind of Home made soup?
    This is Great Theresa!!!!

71. kp Said,

    April 6, 2011 @ 5:44 pm

    9 days clean thankx 2 u people

72. kp Said,

    April 6, 2011 @ 6:57 pm

    Wuz on subs 4 2 yrs then went to the meth 4 3 weeks I decided 2 kick everything cus im sick of being “comfortable” by meds that r harder to kick than herion! The first 5-7 days i felt fine with zero meds, however on the 8th day i got dopesick. My stomach is fine but the insomnia and restless legs+ body r driving me crazy!

73. kp Said,

    April 6, 2011 @ 7:03 pm

    Im really in need 4 a good sleep,but sometimes tylenol PM makes things worse. I guess Id rather watch reruns of Family Ties till 6 in the morn

74. Larry C. Said,

    April 6, 2011 @ 9:09 pm

    Hey KP< keep up the good work. you will be glad you did it, and you made the right choice.

75. Riztz Said,

    April 7, 2011 @ 2:31 pm

    I have a question if someone could help. I got talked into going to the doctor with my friend to get pain meds as they’re extremely easy to obtain. My original thinking was that I could just sell the pills for 8 bucks a piece and make a 5 or 600 bucks. It started out like that until i started taking the pills. I took about 5 a day for 6 days until i came to my senses. I’m flushing the rest and i want to know if i should feel any w/d’s for only taking them the amount of time i have? How long do you have to take opiates before you really become physically dependant?

76. Larry C. Said,

    April 7, 2011 @ 5:43 pm

    why don’t you just flush the pills, stop taking them and get a job?
    Depends on your body, you could be hooked after a week but usually longer. You might experience a little sniffles but that may be it…

77. Riztz Said,

    April 7, 2011 @ 7:37 pm

    Well I actually have a good job, I also got the pills because i have used recreationally in the past and my job does random drug screens, so i wanted to be able to not worry about that if i went out with friends one weekend and had a test monday. I did the math wrong as well, I got 120 lortabs and because i have insurance and my pills cost under 10 dollars i can make a free thousand dollars a month. I came to the conclusion though that so many of my childhood friends fell victim to addiction and their lives have literally been at a stand still for the past 5 years, that i don’t want to enable anyones addiction or get addicted myself. I was raised better than that and my conscience eats me up about it. Anyway thanks for responding, even if you did assume that i was some poor, jobless, crackhead from the ghetto.

78. Larry C. Said,

    April 7, 2011 @ 8:09 pm

    “some poor, jobless, crackhead from the ghetto”, You said that, not me.
    Most addicts who deal or try to deal drugs, often times become their own best customer.

79. Kaye Said,

    April 8, 2011 @ 5:51 am

    Umm, I started on Percocets about 2 years ago for migraines and have been take 5 to 25 mg a day ever since, 5 if i did not have a major headache and 25 if i did. Today is day one of cold turkey. Since I really followed the directions on the drug, am I going to have all of the same withdrawals as someone who took alot more mgs per day? I am really scared of this whole withdrawal process and am wondering if I should get the prescription refilled and taper off? Someone please give me an idea…..

80. Larry C. Said,

    April 8, 2011 @ 7:38 am

    As they say, a habit is a habit no matter how small or large.
    You will probably experience some withdrawals symptoms, how severe, I can’t say.
    But please stay connected and keep us all posted.
    Larry

81. Joe Said,

    April 11, 2011 @ 1:58 pm

    Did oxycontin, percs, vics, basically anything I could get my hands on and could afford for about 3 years. Never went more than 2-3 days sober. My family found out about my addiction last week and want to send me to some kind of program and to go to AA meetings. I am almost 4 days sober and am really feeling good about myself. I feel like I can do it on my own…I thought about going on suboxone, but don’t want to be dependent on another drug again. Not sure if I’m asking a question or anything, just feel like posting. My withdrawals are not bad at all right now, im sure I won’t sleep well for a while, but oh well…

82. Larry C. Said,

    April 11, 2011 @ 3:06 pm

    I’d say do NA instead of AA. Good luck, keep us posted.

83. Joe Said,

    April 11, 2011 @ 4:03 pm

    I’ve been told for some reason that AA is better… not too sure why. I feel like I don’t need any meetings though…

84. walter rej Said,

    April 15, 2011 @ 6:07 pm

    Hi Larry,
    You are a great help and I want to thank you for helping me on my road to recovery.I have been doing about 60mgs of Oxycontin for the past 3 years.I’ve had depression and anxiety my whole life.I’m 44 years old and found out that using pain killers to fight depression is not the way to go.I was wondering how long the depression from the opiates will last.When I first started taking them for depression I felt better than i had in years.But now I realized when I dont take the Oxy the depression is 10x.I’m through the phisicals.Its just the emotional stuff that really sucks.

85. Larry C. Said,

    April 15, 2011 @ 7:48 pm

    I Walter, unfortunately it can last a while. a few months even more maybe. But it does get better. You might ask for an anti depressant like wellbutrin if that works for you. One thing though I do know of is they have been using Suboxone for depression that doesn’t respond to normal treatments like with antidepressants. I forget the name of it, the type of depression that doesn’t react to normal medications, but what buprenorphine, or suboxone does is up the endorphin type chemical in the brain and alleviates the depression. I’m not saying go get put on suboxone, but that’s one of the uses in recent years. for depression for unresponsive depression.
    Keep us posted.
    Larry

86. abe Said,

    April 15, 2011 @ 10:06 pm

    This website has been great with helping me try to kick a terrible habit i swore i would never succumb to. its been 5 days now since i last had some sort of painkiller. I was using around 60 mg a day for the last 3 months. I am determined to get out of this rut and move on with my life. For the most part the physical pains of the withdrawal are done but i still have a hazy feeling like im always drunk. I yearn for the day that i return to a normal sleeping pattern and the ability to appreciate life without being afraid. Every battle is different and tough to deal with in their own way. I know you are doing good works with a place for people to share and vent and I know i will be strong enough to keep on this path. Thanks larry.

    ps: I am really emotional for some reason right now lol i was crying for about 15 minutes watching tom brady’s interview on nfl network about not getting drafted.

87. Larry C. Said,

    April 16, 2011 @ 2:13 am

    Keep on it Abe. BTW I was way emotional when I was going through my detox. I still get emotional sometimes when I do a hard work out and the crap is still coming out of my fat tissue. Enjoy it, feel it, and remember it. This is 5 days you don’t have to do over again.

88. Chuck B Said,

    April 18, 2011 @ 8:19 am

    Let me start off by saying this is my first post ever and I’ve been using for a very very long time! I am a mid 30′s male and I feel it’s important for me to share my story that it may affect someone out there that is going through it as I have and am for the very last time! People you can fool yourself by whatever diagnosis you want to place in the blank but let me assure you it all turns out to be a bitch in the end! I have it all: fybromyalgia, herniated and degenerative disc disease in neck to lumbar, 3 fractures in thoracic, nueropathy, radiculopathy, osteomalacia, and the list goes on and on! I am not here to scare anyone but to educate you how easily it can happen… It all started by a referral for back pain….yes a referral, not a car wreck, accident, etc….. I WISHED LIKE HELL that someone would have educated me enough to tell me that these damn pills dont come with warning labels at the end once you have stopped taking them as they did in the beginning on HOW U SHOULD TAKE THEM! Regardless, I too was hooked and hooked bad! I found myself upping the dosage for recreational usage at night just to deal with life, kids, family, wife, etc, you name it i did it…. People from lortabs to oxys, you’ll see the first dosage wont be enough before it turns into more and more…. STOP IT THEN~ I have just about bankrupted me and my family trying to heal my pain when i know it cant be done!!! One is too many and a thousand is not enough to heal the pain people, please stop now! I have quit cold turkey 4 times and all 4 times i started using again saying i’d do it right! Truth is, I was hooked and I couldn’t do it the right way, as the bottle said! Consider this my fair warning, even with suboxone, you will withdrawal and it’s just all how bad its gonna be……. some people are different and endure the pain better, some aren’t….unfortunately, im not……I can’t handle pain because if i could i would have never asked for them in the first place…..with that being said, had i known how they’d make me feel 5 years later, i’d never asked for them at all and just received the medical treatment that im much needing, back and neck surgeries, and quit putting off the inevitable! This is day 2 for me having done a 24 mg taper with suboxone over a 6 day period… I am at the 51 hour mark and the sleepless nights, restless legs, insomnia, etc. are current no matter what i take to deal with it… I agree with most on this thread, just suck it up and take it, deal with the withdrawals and make it to the magic number 72hours!!!!! For me that has been the magic number every single time and believe me there have been nights I have thought the world was coming to an end! Im not here to scare u but to educate you, if you are doing this for recreational use and dont want hell to pay in the end, stop now! Seek help and get clean! Even though I have legitimate pain, it still hurts knowing i abused this medicine and was raised knowing how this shit will kill you, bottom line! Listen to me, STOP! Plain and simple, STOP! Even though this is all self inflicted, if you can, surround yourself with a group that you trust that you think would never approve of it that you know sincerely loves you, they will help you through this…..and with much prayer, my heartfelt sympathy goes out to those who dont have this help and has to endure the cold turkey….my advise is to find the Thomas Recipe, it’s on these forums if you look hard enough! Okay Im rambling but I want people to know no matter how educated you are, you use any narcotic, you will have to detox one way or another, whether it’s painful and cold turkey, or some other fashion, medically or in my opinion tapering is the easiest by far………one last thing, pray pray pray! Trust me folks, God hears you! Goodluck to all and God Bless…….

89. mike Said,

    April 18, 2011 @ 9:39 am

    ugh..10-15 30′s a day for 1.5years. kicked in january..5 days pukin harder than ever, rls to the max. Made it through cold turkey after 2weeks of lethargic nightmare days went back for the energy pills then went cold again in feb…3weeks clean and still no sleep and lethargic as ever went back for the energy now on day 4 without them blue devils and I just. Had rls and been takin ativan 2 sleep no pukin at all some soft stoole. All is good emotions but I can’t walk more than 5min without sittin. Wtf I gotta do to energize..I got too much goin on

90. DAVID Said,

    April 19, 2011 @ 3:25 am

    i AM SEVERVLY ALLERGIC TO BUP # METHDONE. HAd a stokw with one and GraND MAL WITH THE OTHER……NO HOPE FOR ME

91. Chuck B Said,

    April 19, 2011 @ 5:03 am

    Hey Mike, hang in there man! We have each other to urge each other on is all I’m saying! I’m reaching the 72 hour mark and that’s always been the magic number for me to start feeling like i’ve made it over the hump so to speak. I admit, no sleep at all last night. Still having night sweats, insomnia to extreme last night, and just rolled and turned all night, zero sleep! However, now that i’m up and about here at work, the body aches, especially in the neck and back area have subsided considerably compared to yesterday, thank God! It does get better with each and every day if you or somebody else out there is wondering…..for me to start actually feeling like me again and having the energy that I once had, it’s always been 30 solid days no matter what I do or what time of the year I’ve dried out….plain and simple! So I guess people are wondering with my story suboxone vs. cold turkey…….???? Well, I must say that the nights are about the same minus the major restless leg syndrome one has cold turkey vs subs but the daytime I can tell a big difference using subs to taper down from the pills before quitting altogether! I’m not 100 percent but I do believe I have to admit i feel better during the day by having used the subs opposed to cold turkey if anybody is wondering for your job or whatever if you have to choose one or the other okay…….subs if you can get to them! BUT for me, I have gone through the night time problems regardless, so goodluck if you’re out there reading this and wondering……my advise, hammer through! You can do this! My thinking is since subs have the half life, they attach the agonist and antagonist recepters for twice as long, so I’ve read, I’m figuring that I’ll have one more night of the last three nights opposed to getting some sleep tonight. Usually beyond the 72 hours i’ve done well, thinking i’ve got one more day of this to come! However, I guess you have to trade the less severe for another day opposed to the cold turkey that usually subsides generally speaking for me at the 72 mark……………….Hey Mike, find you some bananas for the potassium….Take you an OTC men’s vitamin. Find you some metaxalone (mild muscle relaxer) for rls at night and that may help…. Another trick you may try is to ball up in the fetal position (sounds crazy I know) but it’ll buy you some time…..Just ball up and grunt as if you are trying to lock your stomach muscles up and squeeze them tightly, hold for 30 seconds and then release repeat steps five times then back it down to five seconds each time and after about ten minutes of doing so, you should feel some relief in your body and restless legs okay….also find you a vitamin C to combat the issues as well… Usually the multivitamins will also help block up the stomach receptors again as the pills do and it’ll slow down the softer stool issues as well…..I will check back on here later to see if I can be of help………I know man it sucks but just keep hammerin I am doing it this time! Just remember, one is too many and thousand was never enough! YOU can DO this!!!!!!!!

92. mike Said,

    April 19, 2011 @ 8:15 am

    Wow had a racing heart last night major insomnia without use of benzo 4 sleep I been thinkin about just grabbin a cpl but gdamn if I’m gonna ride these 5days out again. Fkit. I guess we gotta roll wit the fun of this painfull tired lifestyle to pay for those good times…

93. Larry C. Said,

    April 19, 2011 @ 11:50 am

    There is always hope. So you can’t use bupe or meth, that’s even better. your withdrawals won’t be as bad. only about 3 -4 days…try doing some NA meetings.

94. Chuck B Said,

    April 20, 2011 @ 5:20 am

    Okay people, this is starting day 4 for me and I have to say that I finally got some sleep last night! 4 hours, hell yeah, I’ll take it! Mike, man I’ve been reading post after post on here just to keep me remaining positive and not turning back because I can’t sleep, hurts too bad, whatever, etc..etc..etc… But the truth of the matter is, one person posted we didn’t get this way over night and it damn sure isn’t going to go away over night…with that being said bro, hang in there! I’m finally feeling a little better, maybe 65% at this point! And to you David, Larry is exactly right, without these subs/bup/methadone, it is tough but ride it out because after the hour of 72, everything starts going your way instead of the withdrawals way….even if its another hour of sleep, that’s one more than you had the night before… I’m pulling for all of you people! Damnit if I know that I can do it, all of you can as well…..I’ve got everything under the sun wrong with me and God knows the medicine was alleviating the pain but the abuse was getting the best of me and awww be damned if I’m gonna let it ruin my life and those around me! Think long and hard, dont quit now….dont give in just because it hurts….just a few more long nights people, we can, we can, we have and we will conquer this bullshit once and for all! Looking back on these last four nights now, I’m thinking maybe just maybe tonight is the night that I get 5 hours of sleep….the progress is there people, give yourselves some credit, even if it’s just a little…. Im trying my hardest to remain positive because at this point its all I have to hold onto…..Think about the nights we’ve sat up and thought how are we going to do it tomorrow or the next day when we’ve only got 8 or 10 left to do us and our prescription or our contact is going out of town for three days and we can’t afford to obtain it any other way because the funds are tight….some of you this may not have been a problem for but for me it is….this is one nightmare i’m glad to put to rest……..Mike…about your heart racing, do u take blood pressure? if so, take it, it’ll help….I found mine doing the same thing and I took it and it’s working great for the anxiety too……For those of you who are struggling, it’s day 4 for me and I do see the light at the end of the tunnel…….I didn’t wake up looking for my bottle or bag, that ought to tell you something……..You can!!!!

95. Chuck B Said,

    April 20, 2011 @ 6:37 am

    Even though I reported in earlier this morning, I am now past the 96th hour mark and I can’t believe how much better I’m feeling regardless if the weather is pouring rain like piss outside, who freaking cares! If someone is reading this and is really scared, I understand completely, just try using the hour method, it really helps me knowing that once I reach 72hours in, it’s all downhill…I’m not saying it’s going to be a cakewalk, but the physicals, you can tell are leaving your body slowly but surely….. Drink the gatordade, powerade, things like that that keep supplying your body with the hydration it needs plus you are exiting the bad stuff from your body as well… Also, make sure you take a multivitamin twice daily and as for me, i’m taking an extra vitamin c caplet just to help with the immunity….whatever the case, it seems to be working for me…..hopefully it can you too…..just some tidbits of information that may be lacking in helping someone out there that may be scared but really wants too!

96. Larry C. Said,

    April 20, 2011 @ 9:06 am

    Thanks for the post Chuck, Great inspiration. It’s one more day that you don’t have to do over again.

97. Larry C. Said,

    April 20, 2011 @ 9:12 am

    Taking those vitamins and hydrating really helps a lot! Also taking Flexicose for joint pain, as well as 5-HTP and for some SAM-E helps too with the mood. I found that going to the gym and doing the elliptical a bit painful at first but pushing past 5 minutes started making me feel much better for the rest of the day. After the elliptical I’d spend some time in the hot tub which really helped to relax the muscles and take the pain away, also helped to get some sleep. Also Glutamine, helps immensely because it’s food for the muscles which they need right now. It also helps for the diarrhea, in doses over 2000mg, as it is also food for the intestines and stomach. It is also food for the brain. Glutamine is a really powerful amino acid.

98. Chuck B Said,

    April 20, 2011 @ 10:00 am

    Larry thanks for the input as well! I will try the flexicose and glutamine for sure! The diarrhea is my only major issues at this point other than feeling like I still have a case of the flu…..but it’s been about 4 hours on that now so I may be out of the woods as well there too! Let’s hope…..thanks again! Chuck B…..

99. K.C. Said,

    April 20, 2011 @ 6:52 pm

    This is my third withdrawl in the last 6 years. Think I would learn! Anyway,I in the medical field, can’t miss work. Was taking 8, 10mg percs daily. I had to taper this time. On day 15 now. I can tell you, each withdrawl gets harder. I am down to 2.5 mg lortab once daily. Cold turkey is the best way to do it. Larry is right, eat, drink, and exercise. This will expedite the symptoms. Avoid too much deep thought, your brain will start to convince you that pills are the only way to end the misery. If you taper, and are thinking about taking a pill, ask yourself, “Am i feeling so miserable that i am going to take this pill for symptom relief, or do i just want to get high” Stay strong Brothers and Sisters!

100. Larry C. Said,

     April 20, 2011 @ 9:07 pm

     Thanks for sharing your experience KC, Really appreciate it. I know myself if I had my druthers, I’d have don’t cold turkey right off instead of a taper.
     Larry

101. Chuck B Said,

     April 21, 2011 @ 5:21 am

     Day 11 without opiates and Day 5 without suboxone!!! Man, did I just say that??? Wow!!! So last night I went to bed at 11pm, woke back up at 315am….and I remember getting about 2 more hours of sleep! So what’s that now, 6 hours now…I can survive and whoever is reading this you can too! Just because you aren’t posting like I am now, doesn’t mean I know that you aren’t reading these forums like I used too when I was detoxing many times before! I have decided to post this time because it will be my last…let’s just say I got a wake up call yesterday stating it better be, therefore, I will not ignore that…Remember, this all started for me from a doctors referral that was legit and somehow I have found myself thinking how could this happen to me??? Looking back now this past week since having started detoxing Sunday evening, I look back at thinking of just how long ago it was when I started and how I ended up here…Life has a funny way of proving things to you and this weeks detoxing has made me realize that I need to turn my life around and start heading in a direction that is positive, not just for me but for my family… I know there’s somebody out there that’s reading this and this fits you to a T as many other posts that i’ve read before did me years before when I tried doing it so many times earlier in my life! Bottom line is this, I don’t know what’s making it different for me this time other than I feel like it’s just time I do it for ALL the right reasons and quit finding ways to relapse over and over! There just all excuses to start back over and over, that’s all, excuses! So I’m gonna stop making excuses, give my body time to heal on it’s own (if it can at this point from my injuries) and take it from there! If not, I’ll look into surgery but awwwwww be damned if I’m gonna let a little green, blue, white, pink, etc, etc, etc, run my life from here on! One thing that really irks me is that I’ve used up thousands and thousands of dollars trying to keep up! Listen to me people, ONE is too many and a THOUSAND is never enough!!! Now that my withdrawals have subsided considerably, I feel it’s important that I type this and even if it’s just to educate ONE PERSON, and it makes a difference for ONE PERSON, then it’s good enough for me that I’ve done so…..I started off Monday, checking out these forums, wondering and thinking hell, i’ve seen em all before….but this time it’s different…….I really feel like I’m done with this rat race of calling, driving, looking around for my next fix so to speak! One thing that’s funny is that 6 years before, I wouldn’t even take a tylenol or ibuprofren…It’s amazing how they change who u are! I was talking to my friend last night, stating for the last five years of my life, I’ve been somebody completely different…I’m not the dad or the man I used to be and that hurts! I’m better than this shit and people you are too! If you are reading this, know that you can do this….you can overcome anything as I have these past five days! Hard? Hell Yeah it’s been hard and now I feel the mental things starting to check in…it’s like a hotel, one customer leaving and another checking in…..the physical is packing up, the mental anguish is just arriving…..but here’s the thing…relapsing is not an option anymore…..I just have to keep looking back on the many times of detoxing before and know that no matter how many times I start back, it’s still an ordeal to just manage whether you are taking them legitimately or not…..I will say this about my withdrawals this time using suboxone to taper over a 6 day period…….it has been somewhat easier because I did taper using this and only subs for 6 days….but only that small amount that i placed in my system for six days is still causing me to have nightmares unlike doing it cold turkey…usually by night four and five, I’ve always slept through the night but I feel like it’s gonna take more time to get the subs out due to their half life….I read somewhere else it takes 9-11 days for suboxone to truly exit the body, guess we’ll see about that… Either way, I’ll trade the taper vs. cold turkey anyday, as now I’ve experienced both….. Okay my friends who are keeping up with me, I’m doing much better now that it’s day five and approaching the 120th hour!!! I’ll be back tomorrow!

102. Chuck B Said,

     April 21, 2011 @ 5:41 am

     Looking back on mine and Larry’s comments stating cold turkey vs taper……..I don’t want to contradict here, but I think everybody’s body is different and it’s important that I state this just so u know…..by tapering for me, the restless leg syndrome, anxiety, backaches, rolling, turning, flipping, no sleep no matter what you do, that sort of thing, was lots easier this time….However, I do agree that cold turkey u feel a little more of the effects but by day three, the 72 hour for me, was always the greatest day in the world! So if you’re out there and you can’t get to suboxone, it’s okay….just know that it’s three long days and everyday thereafter gets better! Also, I didn’t have any nightmares past day three either cold turkey, so it does have it’s perks!!! Remember, everybody’s different….Goodluck!!!

103. abe Said,

     April 21, 2011 @ 5:52 am

     Wow i know that its only been like 12 days for me now but i feel the difference so much from when i posted here last week. My energy has slowly come back with a normal sleeping pattern. THERE IS A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL! Keep up with it I know most of the time for people it is the mental anguish of staying home and thinking about it. For me writing about it helped alot, i kept a journal and wrote about it my daily experiences everyday and somedays i even read everyone of my entries to see what kind of state of mind i was in when i wrote it, boy can you tell the difference between day 2 and day 10. I havent taken any of the vitamins but a friend suggested i take Tyrosine has anyone tried it? I know this can feel like a grind 24 hr days feel double especially on no rest, but have faith that you are strong enough and wont let a stupid pill dictate your life.

104. Larry C. Said,

     April 21, 2011 @ 8:48 am

     Hey Chuck, yeah there are plenty of excuses to relapse, but no good reasons. I too realized that after 3+ years of painkillers I was not the same person I used to be. in fact my friends told me the same thing. they were like “Hey Larry, you’re not the same old happy go lucky guy you used to be, you’ve become somewhat dark and brooding. What happened?” They were right. And looking back and seeing how it made me impatient with my little girls and my wife. How I treated people during those times, including my friends, it makes me cringe. But be easy on ourselves. it doesn’t ever have to happen again. Unless we want it to. and I don’t think any of us want it too.

     One more thing, one we are addicted, and then get clean, we can’t ever go back to using painkillers, for anything. Even when prescribed. Because opiates have changed our brain and body chemistry so much, and usually on a permanent basis, many of us will crave opiates for the rest of our lives. Sometimes not, but for many there will always be a nagging in the back of our head. So if we were to start taking the painkillers all over again for say a tooth ache, it will re-awaken the monkey on our backs. I know this to be true for me. I can never take another opiate for anythingunless it’s major surgery and it’s supervised.

105. Chuck B Said,

     April 21, 2011 @ 10:57 am

     I agree Larry, I don’t plan on ever using again unless I absolutely have too! I know that surgeries lie ahead of me, I dread the day when they say here is a painkiller…. I think my back or neck will have to be absolutely unbearable for me to put another one in my mouth just thinking about it…. Once before, I did dry out for like eleven months in this five year span… Man I have to admit that I’d never felt more alive in my life! I didn’t hurt near as bad as I did when I was using, seriously, as crazy as that sounds! For me, opiates just knocked “common sense” right out the damn door because I didn’t have any at all it seems here lately… I know EXACTLY what you mean when you said that it made you into somebody that was mean to your wife, your kids, your friends, etc…. I have gotten better with the babies, just not the wife yet….maybe this will fix our problems too! Maybe all this time I thought the serious problems were something else besides me, but maybe just after all, it was the pills turning me into the person I never dreamed I could become, to anybody for that matter!!!!!! I am proud of you too ABE, for coming so far and keeping me posted what day 11 will eventually feel like knowing that I’m pretty much through with everything but the diarrhea, can u believe that? I’ve still got the loose stool which i guess is evident from the subs hanging on so long ,huh???? Normally by day five, I’m raring and ready! However, the vitamins are a part of my regiment and the exercise is as well….Slowly but surely, being athletic all my life, might as well not let a bone that’s out of the place get in the way after all this time now, huh???? LOL………..at least I’m getting my sense of humor back! That’s a plus! Hang in there to all people, God knows I am by the bare minimum, but it’s enough!

106. K.C. Said,

     April 21, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

     Yep..my last relapse started when i got a nasty cold with a dry cough. Doc gave me hycodan. I knew better..but that old brain started working on me and within a month i was runnin and gunnin’ just like the past. If you think you have it licked, you don’t. If you ever feel tempted, just play the whole tape before you act.

107. Larry C. Said,

     April 21, 2011 @ 4:21 pm

     What people don’t realize is that they may have gotten off the pills, but the addiction is sitting in the corner, doing pushups, getting stronger and stronger. Waiting for the moment of weakness to pounce and get them hooked again. Then when they start doing them again, they realize they picked up right where they left off. It doesn’t just start over from zero.

108. Chuck B Said,

     April 22, 2011 @ 4:58 am

     Hello all! It’s a raining friday outside but sure looks like a beautiful day to me! I have to admit that i’m feeling about 80% percent as a whole, and FINALLY the diarrhea has subsided, so I think….LOL Anyways, I knew from the past that it would all eventually come to pass and just keep driving on, hammering thru and it’d all eventually subside as it always has and this time ain’t no different! I guess looking back the subs do hang on alot long than cold turkey, it’s just all what a body can endure I suppose… I just wanted to say today that I’m feeling much better and I am looking forward to my first weekend SOBER, in a very very long time! Good Friday huh? God’s always right on time! I have to give Him all the credit this time, showing me signs of this and that months before I actually wanted to quit on why I really needed to and He helped me! Through prayer and dedication this week on my own, it’s got me through! Keep up the hard work and efforts people, even when u think you can’t, drive on! YOU CAN!!!!!!!!

109. Chuck B Said,

     April 22, 2011 @ 9:44 am

     KC, you are EXACTLY RIGHT!!!! Play the whole tape before you act! I had not done that not one single time before and that’s why i’m in the shape I am now, physically and financially! Listen to me people out there that are reading that aren’t responding, it WILL BANKRUPT YOU EVENTUALLY!!!!!!!! It’s not how, you know the how, it’s just a matter of when, and when it does and you wake up from it all as I am now, knowing it could have been lots worse for me but still the thoughts of the money I spent on something without value, makes me sick! Speaking of sick, you know how it’ll make you feel physically once you run out of the medicine or the capabilities to buy! The simple truth of the matter is that it’s wrong morally and I knew better……I’m SOOOOOO glad that I was awakened when I was or it’s untelling what kind of shape I’d be in right now……….Just two weeks ago, it was a double-edged sword for me and I didn’t even know it….It’s funny how a wake up call will get your attention and it got mine! I hope somebody along the way can give you a wake up call as well….and I mean that in a good, positive way! Let me just put it this way, you may think you have EVERYBODY fooled, WRONG, BAD WRONG!!!!! My prayers go out to everybody that’s just getting started, going through it, coming out of it, dried out for years, etc., that WE stay strong as a good moral person would and learn from our lessons in life! I certainly have this time! Larry, I really feel like this is it for me…. Many times before coming out of withdrawals I never felt this calm, peaceful assurance telling me that it’s going to be okay this time and that relapsing will not be a problem! Maybe it’s the subs way of detoxing you through withdrawals, but whatever the chase, it’s working and I am glad of it! Who cares if we gain another 20 pounds because we’re living right, looking well, a little more healthy than we probably should be…..but the main key is that we’re clean, we’re us again and that’s all that matters too me! I hope I’ve been an inspiration to someone, somebody, somewhere along the way, God’s telling me I am so that’s good enough for me! If no one responds today, I’m not logging on over the weekend but I will check back on Monday just to give an accountance how my weekend has been through the withdrawals and such! God Bless everybody and have a good Easter Weekend! I’m out….

110. Devon Said,

     April 24, 2011 @ 10:37 am

     so 3 yrs ago in Vegas I was arrested with a DUI and intent to sell my somas with the treat of loosing my son and deep in a soma addiction (dr prescribed me 300 somas 350mg a month) due to a car accident 5 yrs ago and 3 major surgeries and the loss of a unborn baby I took it and ran for a year I was on soma in jail detoxing and went to rehab where I learned about more drugs I was cleanfir a year n moved to Arizona went to dr bc my metal plate in my elbow was hurting and now I’m back on percocets and sOma. I want off of it and I am taking way more than I need to so I can deal with my mom and her alcoholism and I dnt want my son seeing me go back down addiction road. I took 2 lortab 10s and 2 7.5 perks today and will have nada else I work opening shift tomorrow and 4 pills if pain meds is nada compared to the 5 I would take plus 2 somas to start my day…I’m scared for tomorrow and don’t know what to take to help me through..while in jail they had me on naproxin? Will that help?

111. Ben Said,

     April 24, 2011 @ 11:28 am

     Hi happy easter everybody. I am in day 6 of total withdrawal from opiate meds i just stopped and it’s my first time and i swear it will succeed. I feel like shit my head is totally bongo but i’m going to go out in an hour and try and jog as i’m not going to let my own addiction that i own beat me. there is no choice in the matter i love my daughter and she deserves better from me, nobody knows about this i have carried it for a year in total secrecy. Tomorrow is Easter Monday and i know the suffering will have been worth it. I’m not religious but for some reason i have tried to time this all around Easter as to give myself some Mental structure. Thanks for the info on what these meds do to your brain and endorphins. i had no idea but now i know the depression is fake it’s not real and it will subside. People all over the world are going through worse I did this to myself i had a choice and i now own that choice to stop. I feel like shouting that. Good luck to anybody feeling similar. I hope you sleep tonight. Major props for the info again. Ben U.K

112. Larry C. Said,

     April 24, 2011 @ 2:18 pm

     Happy Easter, look at it as your own resurrection.

113. Larry C. Said,

     April 24, 2011 @ 2:20 pm

     Naproxen? That’s Aleve. Why not just stop using? If you’re not hooked already then just stop. you ashould be telling yoru doctor your a recovering addict, if you are. then they won’t give you opiates. well most won’t, some are just stupid.
     Good Luck and stay clean.

114. Tyler Said,

     April 24, 2011 @ 2:39 pm

     hey everyone! I have the same story as most. I started using a year ago for back pain. I was amazed at how much energy the lil pills gave me! After a couple months it turned into a habit that I had to go out and feed. I realized a few weeks ago that I needed to quit, but the addiction had me. It told me that if I quit I would lose the girl that I met and fell in love with about ten months ago, so out of fear of changing, I didn’t quit. Well a couple weeks ago, I got upset over nothing and left. It hurt her so much that she won’t take me back or even talk to me. I realize now, that we fell in love just before the pills got a good hold of me, and they changed me into the person that she felt like she had to leave behind. Now that I’ve lost my love, all my money, and my place to live, I realize I have to stop! I have been told I’m not the same person many times. I just want to get off these pills and make my life happy. I took my last 30mg oxy last night at 11:00. I have 1 and a half suboxone to help me get through. I’ve read every post on here, so I know what to expect. It’s actually starting now. With the girlfriend situation, I’m so sad. But I know I have to beat this problem before I can be happy with anyone. Im staying with my brother in his efficiency on the floor right next to his bed, so he’s going to have to go thru it with me. I have to work and in afraid if I miss any time I’ll lose my job, so I have to try to work thru this. I’m only on the 15th hour and I know it’s going to get worse, but I have to do it. I don’t have a choice. All these posts have helped me greatly, and I am going to try to make it to the magic 72hour mark. I will check in regularly. Thanks!

115. Devon Said,

     April 24, 2011 @ 3:58 pm

     I’ve told every dr about the soma but Rey seemto think that bc I wasn’t taking roxys or OCs that I’ll be ok…I was just trying to get through tomorrow’s work as the stuff you recommend on the site I cannot get thought maybe it would help with cramping headaches etc

116. Larry C. Said,

     April 24, 2011 @ 4:33 pm

     Devon, this stuff works wonders for comign off the junk: Gaia Herbs – Melissa Supreme

     You can get Melissa tincture from just about any decent health food store. Check it out, 10-20 drops in a cup of water and a few minutes later your mellow and your muscles are relaxed. great for W/Ds.

117. Larry C. Said,

     April 24, 2011 @ 4:34 pm

     Good luck Tyler. please come back and keep us posted as to your success.
     Larry

118. Chuck B Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 6:25 am

     It’s Monday morning and I have to admit, I’m feeling much much better than even Friday….Friday I was at 80% and today, I feel much like physically I’m 90% or better, still lagging in the energy department but that’s okay, I’m still hammering thru and making time to play with my babies outside and had a great weekend! I have to admit, being sober this weekend was a really good feeling… Nothing was there to clog my brain and give me mixed signals about anything really… I will admit though, the physicals are pretty much gone except for the lack of energy and the inability to sleep through the night still ( i swear that’s the difference between subs vs cold turkey FOR ME, everybody’s different —– for me cold turkey after day 5 i was sleeping through the night) so this is all new but even that too is getting better… 5-6 hours a night, I can handle no problems! The MENTALS have showed up! I have continued to educate myself reading this and that, and the bottom line is this….I have to prepare myself that from April 10, 2001 the date I took my last opiate, there is the POSSIBILITY that I’ll think about those little pills every day of my life for the next 18 months!!! Yes, 18 months! I know that the quick mental fix to stop thinking about being addicted to something is like 21 days or so… but with everything that I’ve placed in my system, it’s really gonna be at least a year to quit thinking about everything, but I can and will continue to be strong!!!!…………….TO DEVON, BEN, and TYLER, there is a reason for everything and right now you may not even know why you’ve chose NOW to STOP this nonsense, now that you’ve realized that you are using this far more than it’s intended use, right…. So here’s the thing, 72 hours is the magic number for the complete and total chaos that is taking place in your body and your brain! I’m not saying you’re going to feel like the champ and want to run the Boston Marathon on day 4,5,6,7 etc…….MY advise is to take plenty of vitamins, drink plenty of electrolyte fluids (gatordae, powerade, etc.), and eat like a horse!!! Yes, you’ll continue to push it out with the diarrhea but eventually it’s gonna slow it down, it has too! Plus the food will help with the energy! Guys, this ain’t gonna be no picnic, I’m just here to tell you! We’ve trained our bodies for a very long time using and taking the pills one way or another and stopping with an opiate cold turkey, taper, etc., it still has to put us through detox one way or another! For those of you who are thinking I’ll just take one more pill and it may help, wrong! It’s only slowing down the process of detoxing again! That’s what you’re wanting to get over with right? Then, just stop! That’s why they call it cold turkey, just stop! If you’re tapering, then I understand….it has shown me that it can be easier!…..BUT you can’t start your detoxing time until u’ve taken the very last one…..because you’re not really detoxing, understand that….you’re withdrawing AND detoxing……EITHER WAY, I think the majority of us has always came up with a number to help us and for me it’s always been 72!!! I am pulling for all of you to get through this as I have! Guys, again, I’ve got everything under the sun wrong with me, other than using biofreeze for my neck and back (that is applied like deodorant with a roll on applicant) I too am suffering through the pain again just like everybody else until my natural endorphins can start kicking in again and help me the physicals again! I am extremely proud of you three for manning up and saying you want to quit, you need to quit, you have to quit, and YOU….YOU YOURSELF ALONE has realized that YOU need to quit FOR YOU!!!! What most people don’t realize is that until they’re mentally ready, it’s a very hard thing to do, that’s why they call it addiction! Listen I’ve relapsed four maybe even five times come to think of it……There’s going to be every reason in the world for you to start using again! I promise you that! DON’T!!!!!! Come back to the forums and start reading the hell, the pain, the withdrawals that people are going through again and again, over and over and count the number of people that posted for the first time just like you have this past few days and give an account of what’s going on, then my friend, you will see…..I have to admit, there’s a higher power helping me this time! I know God has His hand in it on me this time! I am a Christian but I like many people have and are doing, I’ve back slid to the point where I was only worried about one thing, and that was a pill!!!!! God has opened me up, made me realize that my family, and my babies are first priority from now on in my life!!!! One thing to remember that God has kept telling me…….Raise your family, these babies didn’t ask to be here to be put through all the pain and agony that’s having taken place in my household for the last 5 plus years!!!!! They don’t deserve it and nor should they have to! For you DEVON, your mom and your son needs you to be the strongest thing on this earth for them! You have to be that rock they can lean on and get through life when they are having a bad day! Things do happen for a reason, everything does! I had to learn that at 14 when my father died and I had no where else to turn but the the Lord for answers! Listen guys, I know I’m sounding like a preacher but I won’t apologize! Smile, He has helped me through so many times you can’t even imagine and this last detoxing has been no different! He’s been my rock! So DEVON, when things are hard for you, turn to Him, He’ll show you the way, I GUARANTEE you…. I mean there are going to be thoughts and signs will be shown to you, that’s another way God works too! I followed the signs a month before I stopped using this time and when I was at my wits end this time, He revealed to me that He pointed me in this direction and He seen that I was serious about quitting so He did help take some more of the pain of detoxing away that hasn’t always made it this easy! Trust me, I’ve been through it enough to know! ………AND TYLER…..Listen to me okay!…….ONLY USE THAT SUBOXONE FOR THREE TO FOUR DAYS!!!! Don’t drag it out…I used mine for 6 this time and I really think it’s what’s causing my sleep to be no more than 5-6 hours at a time now…. I mean that’s good and all, but this Saturday I was looking forward to waking up at 8am and heading to McDonalds…….instead I was up at 5am and suffered through it til 8am…..catch what Im saying……4 days will help you through the worst of it and looking back, I’ve had the diarrhea just as bad this time as I did before cold turkey, so IMO it hasn’t helped much where that was concerned but it did do lots more for the physicals with the tapering effect with it okay……..4 days max….just cut the strips into 3rds now and suffer through it….AND TYLER….with your girlfriend situation, getting off these things can only help your situation i imagine but I am gonna be straight with you, you are going to be more emotional just coming off of these pills (trust me) but with your situation, it may be a little more than usual detoxing and that’s okay…….IT WILL PASS!!! Do your brother a favor, go by a box fan and turn it wide open! He’ll appreciate the noise so he doesn’t hear you getting up and walking the floors at 3 am, whether it be to crap or clear your restless legs okay friend! If this was easy, everybody would just take opiates and start and stop when they wanted to! But reality has proven to us, it’s not! With this being said, DEVON, BEN, AND TYLER, you have to want to stop this train to nowhere, it has to be your desires, not anybody else’s because days 2 and 3 will put you to the test of relapsing, but just keep saying to yourself, relapsing is not an option, look where these things have got me…..? the shape we’re all in, ME included!!!!! Listen, I know it’s hard and feels like hell on earth right now……BUT I ASSURE YOU, through desires to come off and the ability to want to, and through prayers, it’ll come and go just as it has for me!!! For me, this is day 15 from opiates and day 8 from the last use of suboxone and I had to take it one day at a time!!! Count the hours til 72!!! Then start counting the days, one by one… YOU WILL MAKE IT, I BELIEVE IN YOU….. getting on here and admitting you want to tells me enough about you three that I believe in you enough that you can do it…………Larry hello and thanks again for being there for me my brother! I will check back on you guys and if there’s ANYTHING I can do, talk u through, put it on here…… We’ll get you through this and no that you are not alone right now!!! There’s thousand of others out there going through this that have not posted that are reading this………Keep posting, I wanna help…………. I’ll check back in a few hours or so! CHUCK B

119. Chuck B Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 6:26 am

     SORRY APRIL 10TH, 2011……

120. Chuck B Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 6:39 am

     DEVON, how long have you been back on everything since going to the doc in arizona? Give me an account for your somas, percs, and your lortabs usage timeline so I may be able to help u understand okay…….

121. Chuck B Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 7:05 am

     BEN, it appears that we are on the same number of days from our last use of anything (two sundays ago = 8 days now)!!! I am very happy for you that you are kicking this habit and it’s your first time in doing it! I have to say that my first time, it really kicked my butt too because I didn’t know what to expect or how the timeline thing worked and it was a very long 7 days for me too! I missed a whole week of work, I rememeber very well! I am so glad that u’ve been awakened too and realize that your daughter deserves more and that it really is a train to nowhere so to speak! Ben it sounds like you are on the right track man! DON’T THINK you can go back and just take one or two every now and then, CAN’T HAPPEN BEN! Once we’ve been addicted over a substantial period of time, WE CAN’T GO BACK!!! Goodluck Ben, you’re through the worst of it my friend, hang in there and if you need anything, keep in touch okay……. Chuck B

122. Devon Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 7:24 am

     I’m going this am to pick it up and try it out! Thanks Larry I guess I’m fortunate that my only issues have been diarrhea and muscle aches…or maybe the wd hasn’t really started too much I remember te soma wd to be the worst ever it lasted almost 2 months..but this is my first go around on pain meds so I wanna keep it kinda in check bc of my son my mom is of no help she’s usually drunk by 430pm and my dad is away on business…I appreciate the help!!!

123. Chuck B Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 7:46 am

     TYLER, I might as well hit on your story as well since I’m here……..Tyler, if my calculations are correct, you’re at about the 35th or 36th hour, and trust me, if you’ve not taken anything again, I KNOW how you’re feeling right about now! Here’s the thing….. You cant take anything and be true to yourself! You have to be honest to yourself the whole way through….If you’re going to do this, then do this FOR YOU MAN! Don’t do it for your girlfriend or anybody else, because right now it’s all about YOU getting through this to make everything else around you better!!! Because if you are, then you are just fooling yourself man because these pills ain’t no joke! They will grab back a hold of you and whip your butt over and over again and again as they have me, but probably worse than ever to be honest!……………………………. It sounds to me like you really care about this person…. If so, then that’s motivation to get back to who you were when you met, “before the pills really had you” and show her you mean business! Yes, lesson in life, you have to set something free in order to find out if it’s meant to be!!!! It’ll work out for the best man and she’ll see the true you, especially if she knew your addiction, now that you’re done with that and you’re not hanging out with the people that helped contribute to that if she knew about it that is! I have no lies to tell you, you may have to change lots more about you in order to help her understand how serious you are…. I’m no counselor, no doctor, etc., but the one thing I do know is that YOU ARE doing the right thing by getting off these pills before it does even more damage to your livelihood!!!! Consider this your wake up call to Tyler! You’ve lost your girl, you’ve lost all your money, and your place to live!!! What else do you have to lose to realize that it’s the train to nowhere? I’m just here to help bro, call on me if you need anything……..Hang in there, you’re half way through the worst of it if you are being honest okay my friend….. I’ll check back on you!!!!! Chuck B

124. Larry C. Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 9:38 am

     Hey Chuck, someone was there for me, so I am trying to be there for others. I had a couple friends who had been through it before walk me through it and I could call them when I needed support. So I am paying it forward.
     Keep it up Chuck.
     Larry

125. Larry C. Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 10:37 am

     I just posted a recipe that helped me when I was withdrawing. I hope others find it useful.
     Link:
     http://www.howtogetoffpainkillers.com/the-thomas-recipe-alternative-larrys-recipe-for-opiate-withdrawal/

126. Tyler Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 11:05 am

     Well I made it to work this morning, won’t be off untill 6:30, but I’ll make it. I’ll check in after work and leave a more detailed account of how it’s going today. I just wanted to take a second to say THANK YOU SO MUCH to Ben and Larry for your support, you guys have no idea how much it’s helping me, and also to everyone else who has posted. I’m on hour 38, and I’m not going to turn back now. It’s my life and I want it back!! Thanks again everyone, I’ll check in later tonite. Hang in there people and I’ll do the same!

127. Tyler Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 11:09 am

     Sorry Chuck, you are a huge source of support for me. Your kind words and advice have helped me so much today, you couldn’t even imagine. Thank You Chuck, from the bottom of my heart. You are truly my inspiration in this battle. THANK YOU CHUCK!

128. Devon Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 11:31 am

     Thanks I’m gonna have to get imodium..got Melissa supreme it tastes funny but it’s helped

129. Larry C. Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 11:37 am

     Tasting funny is better than the alternative, right? Glad it’s helped. Really helped me, in fact I still take it when I have anxiety or am nervous about something.

130. Devon Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 2:38 pm

     Chuck I was taking approx 60 perks in 4 to 5 days n lortabs whenbi cud get em and simasbi was getting 120 every 2 weeks since august buy in agusut thru dec I was gettin 120 norcos they all were 10mg…

131. Tyler Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 5:21 pm

     Well I made it through the day at work. Now just gotta make it through the night. At 11:00 tonite, it’ll be 48 hours. I just pray it starts getting easier soon. Regardless, I’m going to make it. Not really in the best spirits for writing right now, but I’ll prolly write a bit more tonite if/when I can’t sleep. I hope everyone out there is hanging in! I’ll say it again, I don’t think I’d stand a chance at making it without the support and info from the people on this site. Thank you all so much!

132. Larry C. Said,

     April 25, 2011 @ 6:02 pm

     Keep on Tyler, Like I told Devon get some of this stuff, this stuff works wonders for coming off the junk: Gaia Herbs – Melissa Supreme.
     It will calm your nerves and help you rest.

133. Chuck B Said,

     April 26, 2011 @ 5:01 am

     Devon, based on what you said, my advise to you was to get the stuff Larry talked about, Gaia Melissa Supreme…. I’ve heard coming off of somas on top of percs and narcos, may intensify the effect while detoxing… Coming off anything oxycodone related ALWAYS kicked my butt worse, just so you know! I will admit the restless legs and the back feeling like it’s being torn in too, was the worst! It too will pass my brother! I know it’s hell on earth right now for you but you are gonna win! You are battling through and you will defeat this crap! I have faith in you Devon, you are already doing great, keep up the good work man!

134. Chuck B Said,

     April 26, 2011 @ 5:09 am

     Tyler, just think man, you are way over half way through now and tonight at 11:00pm, it’ll be 72 hours man! That’s the breaking point IMO where things with this intense detoxing begin to slow down, sometimes it is less, sometimes it is a few hours more… Whatever the case may be, YOU CAN, YOU ARE, AND YOU WILL, overcome this addiction and get your life back that you want to live for you and those that surround you! I guarantee you get at least one more hour of sleep tonight!!! I have faith that you will… Keep us posted man and let us be of help if we can… Right now it’s all about you and you are in cruise control my friend, don’t let up… Keep hammerin through!!! YOU CAN DO THIS!

135. Chuck B Said,

     April 26, 2011 @ 5:18 am

     Well as for me, it’s Day 10 clean from everything and I really am feeling like myself again… It’s been a very long time since I’ve actually been able to feel, see, think, hear, etc….I’ve been so buzzed it’s amazing what being sober will do for you! Either way, I’ll take it… Tyler and Devon, right now you’re probably thinking and wondering if there is a light at the end of the tunnel, and my answer is YES! YES, THERE IS! Days 2 and 3 are the MOST DIFFICULT IMO to get through but all at once you’ll start feeling better and better! (bananas = potassium) That will help with the restless legs and such that are still driving you crazy! Remember guys, this stuff we’ve placed in our bodies didn’t happen over night so it’s gonna take a few long, hard days, no lies to tell you, to get through this and make a stand for yourself! Stay committed to this and I promise you this will be the biggest reward you’ll hand over to yourself in a very very long time! I have faith in all of you that you will stay strong and overcome this crazy habit we’ve got that means nothing to me now… I own this and you guys can too!!! Keep up the hard work and stay honest with yourselves that you will not give in!!! CB

136. Tyler Said,

     April 26, 2011 @ 5:36 am

     Made it through the night, worked 11 hours yesterday, so I think that helped me sleep a lil. Today feels like it’s going to be the toughest day yet, but I’m gonna get thru. I’ll be hitting the 72 hour mark tonight at 11:00, so hopefully it’ll start goin my way soon. I have been using tiny pieces of suboxone (1/4-1/8) yesterday. About 1/2 pill total. I really can’t tell that it’s helping, but I’m sure it is. Hopefully since I’m takin such a small amount and I only had 1 1/2 to start with, I won’t have to go thru it all over again when I’m off the subs after tomorrow. Hope everyone is hanging in there! I’ll check in later today.

137. Larry C. Said,

     April 26, 2011 @ 9:41 am

     Hate to tell ya Tyler, but you are still not clean. Once you stop taking the suboxone, then start counting your hours. What you are doing may or may not have helped. It may have made things worse. Your stretching out your withdraw extra days, and Suboxone being a partial opiate and such a powerful drug you may be starting all over again when you are through with the Subs. I could be wrong though. Keep us posted.

138. Tyler Said,

     April 26, 2011 @ 10:44 am

     Hey Larry! I hate to say I hope your wrong. I know I’m in for another battle after the subs. I was just hoping that since I won’t take more than a half a sub a day for 3 days, that it won’t be as bad. Now that I’m out and about, I feel ok. But that’s prolly the 1/3 sub I took at 7:00 this morning (it’s now 12:45 my time). I do feel a lil better now than I did yesterday. So hopefully the oxys are leavin my body and after tomorrow, I’ll be sub free as well. So I guess I won’t really know untill my first day or two without the subs. I’ll keep you posted. But either way, in going to beat this crap! Best of luck to everyone out there fighting the same battle!

139. Larry C. Said,

     April 26, 2011 @ 11:19 am

     Yeah keep going no matter what. this is just one more day you don’t have to go through this shit anymore. Once your done, stay done. and remember how bad this felt so you will not want to go through it again. Good Luck, keep us posted. Thanks,
     Larry

140. Tyler Said,

     April 27, 2011 @ 7:26 am

     Good morning all! I’m still hanging in, it’s been a little over 3 days since my last dose of oxy! I know I’m not out of the woods yet cause I’ve been using suboxone, but only 1/3 a pill a day avg. since Sunday. I can definitely feel the difference between day 1 and now. It’s getting better and better every day! Tomorrow will be the first day I’ll try to go without the subs, so i guess I’ll know exactly whats in store for me on fri-sat. But I have a short work day Friday, and I’m off sat and sun, so I’ve set it up this way so the worst will come and go (hopefully!) before I go back to work Monday. Doesn’t matter how it plays out at this point tho, cause I’m going to beat it either way! Hope everyone else is in good spirits and still staying strong!

141. Larry C. Said,

     April 27, 2011 @ 8:46 pm

     Good luck with that Tyler, remember withdrawal hits hardest about the 2nd day into it and into the 3rd day, by day 4 you should be good to go.

142. Chuck B Said,

     April 29, 2011 @ 5:47 am

     Hello everyone! Just wanted to check in and say Day 20 without opiates and Day 13 without suboxone! Tyler my advise from this point on is to go ahead with the pain and suffering my brother! Let it be hell today, Saturday, and Sunday! You can do this… The longer you wait to quit adding fillers here and there, the longer it’s gonna take for you to completely stand on your own two feet! You can do this, I’m telling you! At this point, my only problem from using the subs is somehow, someway, at one point in the night or another, I have not slept continuously yet! So it’s now been 13 straight days/nights that I have not slept through the entire night, but that’s okay! It’ll come back sooner or later!……………..Larry and Tyler, I’ve been doing the simple math and you cannot believe the money I’ve saved in the 20 days!!!! Tyler, other than the lack of sleep throughout the night, my physicals withdrawals are completely gone! Maybe a little lack of energy but hell, after 5 years of hitting the shit out of it, I guess it’s gonna take a little more time to completely regain controls of the ole’ self again and that’s fair too! I wanna share this too….. Last night my son plays baseball and just out of the blue at the park, one of my best friend’s – female I might add – looks me in the eyes and said you’re free aren’t you? I said what do u mean? She said, “You finally are free from having to take that medicine….” I said how can you tell??? (very curious at this point)……..She said, “You are your old self again! You know that happy-go-lucky guy that used to make us all laugh and so forth”…… I said, ” was it that bad? Did I look that bad?” She said, “We were all getting worried, but we knew you were head strong and that you had to beat it yourself, being so Mr. Freaking Independent, YOU wouldn’t let us step in, we were just all wondering if it would be too late???!!!!”…… I said, “worry no more my friend, it’s over, never turning back, regardless!!!!” So just when you think you’ve really got it hid, well kept in this dark tunnel, away from everyone else, listen people, you are just fooling yourself and those that are in denial, because everyone else can see thru the real you!!! So Tyler…. This person that came up to me, my friend, she could tell immediately that I was a changed person, that I was surely looking like the old self again! Let that be motivation for you and your situation with your girlfriend! You see for me, it wasn’t about what I did to satisfy those around me, I did what I needed to do for me! Meaning, this may be all it takes for you your ex to realize you’ve got it together, whatever the case may be! You need to realize that you are effecting people whether it’s directly or indirectly, people see it and that’s something that I’m glad I’ve come to realize as a sober person! Cause I’m the guy that worries about what everybody thinks of me…….now that I’m clean and sober, it’s a comforting thought to know that if I look the part, and I know I’m physically working through the part, the mentally, I’m okay with my past because there’s nothing I can do to change that……moving forward, it’s all about staying true to my decision to come out of the fog of these damn pills and the addiction….It seems as though now those around me are smiling more and for them saying hello, is much easier to do……Just thinking out loud for u dude, maybe u need to hear this, maybe you don’t, but whatever the case, I feel led to share this with you and for someone else to read it out there……….Hope I’ve been of help here today……………Larry, feeling much better! Other than the lack of sleep throughout the night, things are going much better and man, eating like a horse! Lookout treadmill, hahahahahaha……MY motto: Everything Happens For A Reason!!! Goodluck all, I will check back in later today….. CB

143. Larry C. Said,

     April 29, 2011 @ 7:13 am

     Awesome Chuck. Thanks for reminding me of how it used to be. my friends said something along the same lines, dark, brooding, not the same happy go lucky guy I used to be. Staying in the house all the time, not answering the phone. Not going anywhere unless I know I had enough pills to last me till I got back and could get more. a real ball and chain it was.
     Larry

144. Chuck B Said,

     April 29, 2011 @ 7:28 am

     You’re exactly right Larry it WAS a ball and chain but it sure as heck ain’t no more!!!!!! You sounded just like me man, just like me saying that about having enough til I get back home or til I could get more!!!! IT TRULY SUCKED!!!!!………We HAVE and WILL continue to overcome………..no other way for me now!!!! CB

145. knf Said,

     April 29, 2011 @ 9:55 am

     i was on oxycontin for about 5 years. I just did close to a year of suboxone. I tappered off and quit 6 weeks ago. I’m still having stomach problems and waking up every morning with pretty mild withdrawal feelings. After coffee and shower it goes away. However ally food goes straight through me. I’m feeling physically drained and weak. Are these stomach problems normal and if so how long does it last?

146. Larry C. Said,

     April 29, 2011 @ 10:06 am

     Depends on the person, and probably how long you were on Subs. Do you exercise at all? that will help get it out of the stored fat in your body and out of your system. also doing a detox diet would probably help. Mine lasted 30 days to the day.
     Larry

147. knf Said,

     April 29, 2011 @ 4:16 pm

     Thanks for the response. I’ve been trying to do some power walking. Today I rode the stationary bike. However, I’m so weak from my stomach it’s been hard. Through this whole detox I’ve had to work and act like I’m fine at work. When I get home I want to crash.
     I just want to know there is an end. This six weeks seems so much longer I have no desire for the opiates. But I do want relief. I’ll try the detox diet. My mom knows all about that.
     My husband has to take oc (op now). He has a history of a cervical burst fracture and degenerative disc. Now he wants off but that worries me. He started because of excruciating pain. I started to be numb from mental issues and used some pain as an excuse. I really have no temptation. I am done and I have no desire to go back down this road in and out of hell ever again

148. Rando Said,

     April 29, 2011 @ 4:43 pm

     I am reading your stories and it makes think this? I use to take close to 20 vics/loricets and 20 somas with prescription of xanax. When I run out and decide to detox, I count on two things: Immodium AD and Xanax; Pot will work, its legal here and easy to quit. I maybe smoke once a month. I detoxed many times through the years and honestly, its a mind game going to bed and knowing you have none for tomorrow is what causes the sleep issue. Valium isnt as good as xanax for sleep. After detoxing the first time for 7 days, its easier to detox. I dont plan on quiting forever because I get 120 loricets, 90 somas and 30 xanax a month and am just making sure to stay with my requested dosage.

     I detox once a month just for reassurance I can and it gets easier every time with little symptons except Immodium. Take 4 at once and no worries.

     You all may not agree with my cause I dont plan on quitting but my goal is to not spend any money ouitside my prescriptions. If you want endorphins, watch inspiring movies or eat spicy food. One thing, if you smoke plan on doupling you daily smoking habit.

149. Doug K Said,

     April 29, 2011 @ 7:25 pm

     I have been on heroine for about a year and a half and have been detoxing for 3 days now. for now i have ativan to help with anxiety and catapress for blood pressure and another drug for nausea. Today was the first day i was really able to eat anything and i felt a little more normal for a short time today, then went right back to feeling like complete crap. I am wondering how long it takes for me to feel normal again. i have absolutely no strength, energy or apetite. I know i need to stop but when does this go away and when will i have my normal life back? also im debating going to a inpatient rehab treatment for a month but have no health insurance so my family would be helping with the hefty financing of that but if it is not going to really work i dont want them to waste their money.

150. Larry C. Said,

     April 29, 2011 @ 7:59 pm

     Hey Doug, your almost all the way through the physical part. If only on heroin and nothing else, then your almost good to go. It may take another week to feel totally back to normal, but hang in there man, the worst is pretty much over if you have 3 days clean. If you go into inpatient, then do it, and don’t waste your families money. but if you are worried about the cost dive in head first into NA. You’re going to get exposed to NA anyway in inpatient treatment, or at least you should, so why not just do that, I’d start going ASAP. Come back and let us know how you are doing.
     Larry

151. Larry C. Said,

     April 29, 2011 @ 8:05 pm

     “I have no desire for the opiates. But I do want relief.” That is exactly how I felt when I was going through my detox. I had no craving for an opiate nor did I want one, I just wanted relief. 30 days is a long time but I can imagine 45 days is utter hell. but yes there is an end. but due to subs having a long half life in your system it’s going to take some time. Do power walking or the elliptical if you have a gym membership, soak in a hot tub or hot bath with epson salts to draw the toxins out of your body. Drink lots of water, and check out the ultimate cleanse, AKA the lemonade diet, but I warn you, detoxing the body can bring it one stronger for a period of time, the opiate detox, so go easy on it, unless you like pain. I used to hit the gym with my ipod with music that made me emotional and it helped to drive me to do more, be a better person through the whole thing. I just kept telling myself there is light at the end of the tunnel, even when I didn’t see it.
     Kept it up, and check in often. people need to hear this…

152. Larry C. Said,

     April 29, 2011 @ 8:07 pm

     “watch inspiring movies or eat spicy food” and inspiring music too!!!

153. abe Said,

     April 29, 2011 @ 10:32 pm

     I hope everyone is doing better and sticking with sober living. On sunday it will be 3 weeks for me without the little life suckers and I know the beginning stages are hell they are what we must remember so we dont fall into the cradle of drugs again. Eat healthy, exercise, watch rudy and keep on truckin. I think i watched Rudy and movies that were tear jerkers for the past 2 weeks to reassure myself i had a soul.

154. Larry C. Said,

     April 30, 2011 @ 8:43 am

     That’s awesome Abe. Really Awesome…

155. Tyler Said,

     April 30, 2011 @ 1:33 pm

     Hey everybody! At 11:00 tonite, Itll be a full 7 days since I took a full opiate. It’s only been like 33 hours since my last small dose of suboxone. It’s been a rough day sorta, more emotional than physical. At this point I just feel really drained, like a case of the flu. But for some reason the emotions have been on full blast today. I don’t feel great, but I had to get myself up and out into the sunshine, so I’m going to go visit a friend about 40min away. Hopefully the symptoms don’t get a whole lot worse while I’m out. I don’t want to be all bad news tho, so I’ll say that I have absolutly no desire to go get a pill, just ready for the next few days to pass. But I will make it, shoot I’m almost halfway through what should be the worst. If it has to get worse for a little bit, that’s fine. I’m not turning back now! Hope everyone else is hanging in there! Chuck- Larry, keep it coming, you have no idea how much you’re helping! Stay strong everybody!

156. Brett Said,

     April 30, 2011 @ 5:53 pm

     I wrote back in March. I quite everything on about march 2 ’11. My addiction was Suboxone. Years of it. The reason why aren’t as important as the reason’s for getting off.

     Here are a few things I have learned in the last few months. I’m still not feeling a hundred percent, but then maybe I don’t know what 100% is. I am feeling better but still don’t sleep as good as I used to, funny thing is I didn’t realize how damn uncomfortable my current bed is- who knew.

     My energy levels are still pretty low and i don’t really want to socialize much, but again maybe that’s because everything was built in a drug induced haze. So trying to figure that out.

     I am more stable in dealing with everyone, and trying to find a balance in my life. In the last few weeks I haven’t thought much about doing drugs, but I’ve got to say i sat across from my Dr. office having lunch one day about a month ago thinking about going and seeing him, but resisted.

     I chose not to do any other drug- sleeping or otherwise figure might as well go 100%.

     Depression is a problem thought that seems to be getting better, but then maybe there is reason to be depressed and the solution is not hiding from those things but dealing with them.

     The fight for me is not so much the drugs now but life. Trying to accept it and not hide in a haze.

     Feeling good or bad is better than not feeling at all- that’s generally referred to as dead. So my suggestion is deal with your crap you’ll feel better for it.

     Oh one good thing I’ve done is start writing a book I always planned on 328 pages in so even though I’ve been sedentary I have been productive.

     Good luck everyone just remember the reason you started taking the drugs are still there and unless you can deal with that you’ll be back. Deal!!!

157. Tyler Said,

     May 1, 2011 @ 7:46 am

     Good mornin everyone! This will be a short post, as im about to push through and get out n about. If for nothing else than to remind me that there is life out there, living and having fun without help from pills. It’s just under 7 1/2 days since last opiate use, and about 51 hours since the last suboxone. Still feeling weak in the legs, but quite a bit better than yesterday. Had rough time sleeping last night, with rls mainly. But still feelin better today. If I feel this much better again tomorrow, I’ll be in good shape. It’s starting to get to the point where I can start to see my life after this is over, and let me tell you, that helps so much when the emotions kick in. Tomorrow mornin at 6:00 will be 72 hours completely pill free! I think after that and I go through a whole days work with no lil helpers, I’ll finally start to feel proud and a sense of accomplishment for what I’ve done. I’ll check back soon. Stay strong everyone!

158. Larry C. Said,

     May 1, 2011 @ 9:12 am

     Tyler, you’re almost done!
     Larry

159. Larry C. Said,

     May 1, 2011 @ 9:15 am

     Brett this is the best time to write. You’ll get all the good raw stuff down on paper and that’s important. The depression may take some time to go away because you say “I’ve been sedentary”. It would do you good to get out and workout or exercise somehow and get the blood flowing. the shit stays in the fat cells of the body and exercise will help detoxify your body and help you feel better faster.
     You might also try some of the supplements listed on HERE for the depression

160. Chuck B Said,

     May 2, 2011 @ 6:16 am

     Hello out there friends! 22 days WITHOUT opiates and 16 days WITHOUT suboxone! I’m hearing you Larry about the 30 days to the day/date! I am still not sleeping through the night because of them damn Subs but I guess a man has to take the good with the bad—–cold turkey vs tapering using suboxone……..You would think that because I only used so little of it (6 days) it would be letting up by now but I guess not and that’s okay… Other than the lack of sleep throughout the night, my physicals are gone and the mentals have crept in, slowly but surely… I won’t lie guys, I have thought about it here lately…but I’ve used that towards positive thinking meaning…..If I’m again beginning to think about using, then that means the suboxone is slowly but surely letting go out of my body… I also want you guys to know that I stood strong this weekend!!!! YES, it would have been an easy get-to had I wanted to use it again but I stood strong for not only myself, but for all of you that have been listening to me as I’ve detoxed and tried being support for you… This was really the first weekend that my body hurt like it did before I started using, yes, the excrutiating pain is there once again and it is evident that the pain medicine was only masking my body’s pain and situation of having to deal with it… But guys rest assured, I have no choice but to deal with it sober because I have two babies that are counting on me to raise them and I KNOW if I go back to using again, it’s untelling how long before I’d succumb to the fact that the drugs would win eventually………So therefore, I’m saying this because someone needs to hear it, that I’m being strong, not only for me but those around me that need me and that love me as much as I love them! Tyler, you’re the man! I am extremely proud for you! I just said you a prayer that God takes it all from you now so you can focus on your life and getting things back to normal! Hey Larry, I have to admit that it was good being around people this weekend that hasn’t seen me myself in years come to think of it! They said they had no idea where the real me was but this after this weekend, they could see a change in my life for the positive! That’s a start I guess……………………So, the temptations, the desires, the phone calls you’ll receive to see if you need anything, it’s all gonna happen and when the start calling, you ALL have to stay strong and DO NOT give in!!! Just because we’re through with the physicals of detox doesn’t mean that it won’t put us through it again if we start back up! I do know that the longer I go without using, the easier it becomes for me mentally to not think about it……that’s an ace in the hole that will eventually take care of itself, been there, done that…………Alright guys and whoever else out there is reading and listening…….WE are in this together, stand strong, fight fight fight! What we’ve done to ourselves has taken years to get to this point and we need to remember there is no overnight fix for this stuff! Time will heal and kill the want to’s and the desires if you ever think about wanting to use again……….Tyler stay strong my brother, I’m pulling for you man, you’re almost there…..I’ve got you at 75 hours man, it only gets better and easier from here, I promise you!!!! Goodluck to everybody, stay clean, stay strong!!! Chuck B

161. Doug K Said,

     May 2, 2011 @ 1:34 pm

     I read an article in the paper. in it was talking about how opiate use can destroy your brains ability to produce dopamine. dopamine is what creates the feeling of “well being” and happiness. Does anyone know if this is true? the article was very depressing to me because its been almost a week and i feel horrible still. i hope my brains ability to make dopamine isn’t ruined..

162. Larry C. Said,

     May 2, 2011 @ 3:35 pm

     Are you sure they weren’t saying endorphins? But in any case yes it can, both temporarily and permanently. Depending on how bad one abused opiates it can be months or even years before their able to feel totally normal again.You say it’s been almost a week, give yourself some time, like a few months. go get some exercise, at the gym, or go walking everyday. it helps.

163. Tyler Said,

     May 2, 2011 @ 6:15 pm

     Hey everyone! I did it, I made it to 72 hours since any subs (actually been 85 hours) and just under 9 days since any full opiate! I made it through the day at work with no pills for the first time in a year! Yeah, it’s true I didn’t have much energy, but I know I can do it now! Still not much sleep last night, had restless arm….. weird. But still the biggest problem is just the mentals. But not mentals like I want to use, just feeling lonely and sad. But I just went through a breakup(no reconciliation possible) which is really tough, having to find a place to live, and catching up on bills. I had to hit bottom before I realized the desperation in my situation. And because of my weakness, I had to go through withdrawals and feeling completly alone on my brothers floor, while everything I owned AND my dog were still at my ex’s. That’s where my mentals come from. But I’m not saying this so anyone will feel sorry for me, this is for someone who’s going thru something similar and thinks they can’t beat their addiction during a low point in life. Guess what, if you keep using, waiting till your life gets on track till you try to quit…… You’ll never quit! Your life can only get worse the longer this demon holds you. Quit now! It WILL be hard, and you won’t feel like a million bucks after a week, BUT you have to start somewhere, or you’ll never stop using-it will ruin you. I say all this knowing no matter how depressed I get, I will never use again. For me that would just make me more depressed because I’d know I’d failed and given in. If I could personify these pills, I would punch them in the head! So, with my rant out of the way, let me prove my point….Ill be moving into my new townhouse Wednesday, WITH my dog and all my stuff. I’ve got a Uhaul reserved, electricity scheduled and a friend to help me. I did all this with $38 and a checkbook. You just have to want to get on with your life and you’d be amazed at how creative you can get. Just commit to a better life for YOURSELF! It took me almost a year to destroy my life, now see how much progress I’ve made at rebuilding a BETTER life. Just commit! Again, I’m not trying to get people to feel for me, but share a success story. And I never would have made it this far without this site- THANK YOU LARRY! Chuck- you are my hero! You have been an inspiration througout. Sometimes when I get sad, I go back and read some of your posts and it always helps! I’m sure you have a life that’s getting better everyday, but please don’t stop posting, you are helping people more than you could possibly know! I think you both have “payed it forward”…..and then some. Keep up the LIFESAVING work! Stay strong everyone and I’ll check in soon!

164. Larry C. Said,

     May 2, 2011 @ 7:56 pm

     Hey Tyler, that’s great, keep it up man, it gets easier the longer you go. The loneliness and sadness also comes because we lost an old friend. Our addiction. It’s pretty traumatic to lose an old familiar. That and the lack of endorphins doesn’t help.
     I’ll loan you my Indiana Jones hat, take life like an Indiana Jones Adventure, you never know where you will end up now, most likely something bigger and better. Hitting rock bottom is one way many people stop, some have shallower bottoms than others. There’s a saying in the program that you know you’ve hit bottom when you stop digging and put down the shovel.
     Larry

165. Chuck B Said,

     May 3, 2011 @ 6:09 am

     You know, looking back thinking just six years ago, I’d barely take a tylenol or ibuprofren for my pain and symptoms…. But to think after having been diagnosed with all of my medical issues that hit my body as if a tsunami was coming on board, that I gave in and took that one pill to feel better! Listen to me young person, somebody needs to hear it, I am telling you……….It all started with me after I’d turned 30 plus and to think that I’d made it through all of my years of the early peer pressure, is truly something for me to ponder at now… But I do know how it happens… It’s called life, it’s called a job, it’s called a family to support, etc… Being introduced to the pain killers was one thing but to actually think that I’d take them on a daily basis for over 5 years is absurd, or so I thought! The first thought that comes to my mind……”One is tooooooo many and a thousand in hand still isn’t and never will be enough!”……. I often wonder how fate and destiny can play a part in our lives today, looking back at my situation, there were many many signs that I did not ignore this time, thank God!!!! But I wonder IF, I had not taken heed to those signs and quit on April 10th and 16th completely, if I would not have been taken out of here like this local 18 year old that was actually a relative to a great friend of mine…..??? You may be sitting there saying I’m just trying to scare you and that it can’t happen to you….. Well let me assure you, you take enough in a day’s time and IT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU!!! You see I’m speaking from experience…..there were many days that 20 7.5 Vicodens along with about 8 tramadols for break through pain were NEVER enough it seemed……and that heart slowly but surely started hurting because I know that I’d really overdone it at the end of the day and the thing is, it just won’t go away…..it’ll hurt through the night and the next day until your body has had time to metabolize and break down on the bad stuff being passed through you liver! When it can’t, I’m telling you…..that’s when it happens and there’s not a thing you can do about it………Somebody out there is needing to read this because this is what I’m being led to type this morning…..It’s called OVERDOSE!!!! I’m no doctor but my advise to anyone out there that thinks they have to continue to abuse them over and over, please get the help you need…. I’d rather be seeking help, admitting my problem, than having to be carried to my grave by a bunch of buddies that had NO IDEA that this was a problem that I had……….You see that 18 year old I mentioned, came from a great home, great family, great everything!!!!! This person just got hooked up with the people that you and I know that are out there and they didn’t care about who they were selling it too, just that they knew they were making money…………. Folks, it’s just a matter of time before all this crap catches up with you……..it may even take years as it did myself…….u see I’m a stubborn man so it took me a long time to realize that I had a problem because I was in denial that I actually did have a problem……….but I kept quitting over these five years just to prove that I didn’t have an addiction problem but in reality, I DID…… Now that I’ve quit this time, and just admitting to you guys and myself, that I DO actually have a problem with these things, is enough people for me to tell that I can overcome this regardless now…. It will be a life-changing experience for you in many ways…………. In order to do it right, you have to stop hanging out with the wrong crowd, people, person, etc….. If that’s only why they hang out with you then they’re not really you’re friend anyways……..You may even have to change your phone number-cell number, etc…..Whether you’ve realized it or not, many of you,us, have told our little helpers that came up with the pills when we get paid and they’ll call seeing if you need anything……….YES THEY WILL!!!!! You have to be strong, you have to want this for yourself and make the decision to be willing to make whoever mad because you’ve quit…..You can’t live for somebody else, you have to live for you!!! The sooner you realize that, the easier it will be for you to overcome any addiction that you might have…..Think about what I just said, addiction…….. Everything I’ve ever read, states that you can become addicted even after the first use or even up to taking for 13 days……….that’s a broad spectrum considering but the bottom line is, you WILL become addicted sooner or later! Whoever is reading this, just know it’s not a fun or exciting road… What these pharmaceutical companies need to be placing on their bottles is the “hell you’re gonna go through” if you take these pills long enough, not that you need to “not operate machinery” while take them, etc. etc. etc………..You see I’m tired of living a lie….I’m tired of saying this can’t happen to me, so forth and so on……….Bottom line is, is that it did happen to me and to be honest, I’m a highly educated man! I have 3 college degrees to be exact……….I am a successful person! But listen to me, pills are like time, they have no respect for anybody………they’re just there! But you will find out that time will gladly take you on just like it did the local 18 year old…………I feel burdened because I wonder if that was supposed to be me??? I wonder if that 18 year old missed the signs when in all reality, I didn’t………I seen them at least two months before I quit……………..Are you missing the signs? Are you ready to pay the ultimate sacrifice for something that WILL take you out of here in just a matter of time? Do you have loved ones that depend on you as I do, that knowing if you passed away you’d place a burden on them? I’m telling you somebody out there, God is telling me to write this for you……..so therefore I’m obeying………. It’s not a matter of IF, it’s when and how BAD it’s gonna be on you!!!! Whether it’s detoxing….overdosing….or even death! If you use these stupid things long enough, one of these three things will have to play a role in your life………..which do you choose???………………………………….TYLER I couldn’t be happier for you man! You are doing great…. As of right now, I have you close to 100 hours in to this without anything……….I hope you’re standing strong and being true to yourself and sounds much like you are! Now you have to start counting the days friend….when you get to about 7-10 days, everything starts feeling like the old self again, slowly but surely………Just remember, if I can do this, so can you! The desires to continue this path have to keep coming from within and know that the last year of your life has costed you (and me) dearly!!!!! We CANNOT make these same mmistakes and expect to be ahead or something good/positive to come from this…….it just won’t happen like that……Your FINANCES will eventually get better! Yes, mine were in shambles too and I am now paying bills, getting on my two feet and getting some thing accomplished that I hadn’t before…….it just takes time man, really….. Some days are better than others….but on what you think are BAD DAYS, DON’T give in……….NEVER give in! Just remember what it feels like to detox……the hell, the pain, the agony, the restless nights, all of it CAN and WILL come back over and over and over, regardless of how you anticipate it and try to minimize it, slow it down, etc…………. I hope this can, has, will, maybe help somebody, somewhere along the way…………LARRY, thanks to you for making this sight possible! It took me 5 years to post and now that I’ve found your sight here, it feels like home away from home…….it gives me peace and joy to know I can finally put my thoughts on paper, guess you could tell with this novel I’ve written today……Goodluck to all and God Bless! Stay Strong! CB

166. Todd Blaze McNeill Said,

     May 3, 2011 @ 3:25 pm

     I’ve been on pain meds on and off for a series of injuries, since 2007. I got into a Motorcycle crash in July 2007 and completely tore my rotator cuff, I told my doctor that I did not want to take pain meds anymore. I quit wensday and it’s been hell. No sleep, fatigue, my doctor gave me Valium but they might as well be Certs, I left work early. Can’t sleep or carry my load…when will I feel normal again?

167. Todd Blaze McNeill Said,

     May 3, 2011 @ 3:32 pm

     I actually crashed my bike July 2010 on the freeway, broken left hand, severe road rash both arms and back, dislocated left shoulder, broken right thumb. I tore my Patella tendon in 2007 when I slipped on ice…the fact is I’ve been using Percocet since 2007. Before I quit I was using 2 7.5 mg a day one in the morning and one at night so I could sleep on my injured elbow…when does this shit end man. I just want my life back that’s all. Did I mention I have severe Osteoarthritis in my left knee it’s super painful…I’m at a serious dilema.

168. Larry C. Said,

     May 3, 2011 @ 3:33 pm

     Hey Todd, if it was last wednesday, then you should be over it by now if it was only opiates, painkillers, not suboxone. On the sidebar is a link to an herbal supplement called Melissa, you can get it from amazon or you can get it from Henrys or any other health food store, that will help you calm down, relax and probably help you rest too.
     Sorry I forgot to say if it was only the opiates and you’re still not over it, give it a couple more days to be over the physical, but the emotional mental may be a bit longer. maybe a month or so.

169. Larry C. Said,

     May 3, 2011 @ 5:39 pm

     You should try some flexicose for the elbow and knee…

170. savinggrace33 Said,

     May 3, 2011 @ 7:05 pm

     Well praise the Lord!! I’ve been taking percocets for over 3yrs & morphine for over the last yr. The Lord put it heavy on my heart to get my blood work done to see how my organs are doing. My dr never had this done for me. Well my liver came back bad & cholesteral was up. They had an er ultra sound set up. Before I went I prayed to God & asked Jesus to heal my body & I promised to never take pain meds starting this June 1st. I figured that was plenty of time to wean. The ultra sound came back great!! Last Friday the Lord Jesus spoke to me again & urged me to try to stay off after my last dose. I went 12hrs then 18,24,48 & now I’m on Tuesday!! I’m having virtually no withdrawals which I’m giving thanks & praise to Jesus right now. The one thing I am noticing is I’m tired. So tired. I have faith this will pass to. I even stopped diazepam which I’ve been on for over a year also. I have to share what Jesus showed me to do so I can hopefully help you. First off get some muscle relaxers…these do make you sleepy. Only take 1 3x’s a day…it helps. I still have pain from my injuries but advil & the flexerals make it slightly better. I was taking 60mg of morphine a day up until a month ago & I asked to go down to 15′s. I stopped taking the morphine for about a week then only took the percocets. Went back to taking just the morphine & not the percs for last weeks wed,thur & fri. Then on the same said wed I took 3 15mg morphines,thurs 2 15mg morphines & fri just 1. I started having slight withdrawal & the hot flashes. I have tried to make sure I got up & did stuff. Trust me its not easy because you feel like not moving but as soon as you do move around your natural functions kick in & you don’t have the horrible withdrawals. Plus 90% of my tine I found distraction is key. You NEED to buy luigis ice. Get about 7 cases of 6packs. Everytime my body temp felt off I would eat one of these & it made me freezing for a consistant amount of time so id wrap up in a blanket & fall asleep. Any sleep is key too. Bananas, yogurt & strawberries are easy to get down & even though I felt sick I never puked. The luigi ices tricked my brain too. Plus it kept me from getting dehydrated. Drink tons of water if you can or 7up. I also was able to keep oj down. If you wash it out with fluids the withdrawals will be cut short.
     You see your body is trying to give you the opiates when your not. The meds live in your fat cells,the faster you “shed” these fat cells the faster you feel better.
     I’m so thankful God heard my prayer & blessed me with no puking,no bad physical withdrawals & over all ability to say no! I almost went to take my VERY AVAILABLE meds but the Holy Spirit convicted me & I couldn’t do it. I even went to the pharmacy & had them destroy my just recently paper scrips for 12 percs a day & 15mg morphine for 3months. It feels soooo empowering!! Thank you Jesus!
     Just have faith in the Lord to help you. He wants to. I promise if you ask, He is faithful & just to forgive you & to help you.
     Its funny. I had at my disposal all these drugs & then the Lord. Said “hey your done ENOUGH!

     I have to share that this was the 3rd time God wanted to get my attention to tell me to stop. Its was only by His awesome hand that I was able to do this! I know He doesn’t want anyone doped up so it was a moral issue for me. Now I have to just trust in Him to get through what lies ahead. I do have many medical issues so I’m praying for healing & to be honest He has already has helped take away my pain in so many ways.
     Many blessings & HANG IN THERE!

     P.s. I also found that when I thought about my meds or thought of taking one my body would settle down. So if you can have like a little left so your able to know you could,but don’t!! One totally last piece of help…warm showers are nice too!

171. Hello Said,

     May 3, 2011 @ 8:18 pm

     I find the information on this site to be kind of lame. You said on another site that opiate withdrawal flu-like symptoms last 4 weeks. That’s absurd and will scare people from trying to quit. The symptoms only last 3-5 days depending on the opiate. I have gone through them for heroin, oxycontin, oxymorphone, and tramadol. The flu-like symptoms are gone usually past day 3 for me, those 3 days are hell. You neglect to talk about the depression and cravings that kick in at that point. I always end up going a week or so before starting again because I am so bored out of my mind and just crave it all the time. Oxymorphone is by far the most painful to withdraw from, but it’s the shortest. Tramadol was really bad because it has other SNRI chemicals in it that you also withdraw from. I was taking upwards of 100 mg of oxymorphone up my nose a day. Keep in mind that is 1000mg of morphine equivalent. You don’t need help to quit. All you need is ibprofen, tons of immodium, and xanax to help you sleep. Try to taper down your dose for a week or so before you quit, which often happens naturally as your supply runs out. That will make the fall not so far. The problem with breaking addiction isn’t the physical pain. It’s getting used to being high all the time and the memories of how fun it was. Plus if you legitimately have chronic pain, plan to be on these babies for life. IF you have pain and haven’t tried opiates, try something else or you will fall into the devil’s little trap.

172. Larry C. Said,

     May 3, 2011 @ 11:25 pm

     Since you didn’t leave a real email address, I think that is kinda lame.

     But obviously you are still uninformed. If you’ve been on suboxone any length of time over a month or more, you would know that Suboxone takes much longer in most cases to detox form than a regular opiate. Same as Methadone. Yes regular opiates take about 3-5 days, but methadone and suboxone or buprenorphine, is way different.

     You say “You don’t need help to quit.” then what is this: “All you need is ibprofen, tons of immodium, and xanax to help you sleep “? Sounds like drug induced help to me.

     I’d say you’re the one being absurd, and next time leave a real email address.

173. Larry C. Said,

     May 3, 2011 @ 11:26 pm

     Thanks for the comment and good luck to you …a higher power is always nice to have around in times like these…

174. Chuck B Said,

     May 4, 2011 @ 11:47 am

     To Hello….. Doubt you’ll ever be back to check in again but here’s my question for you….. How do you really know that the flu-like symptoms only last 3 days or even 3-5 days??? You yourself said that you haven’t gone more than: “I always end up going a week or so before starting again because I am so bored out of my mind and just crave it all the time.”……. I am on day 24 without opiates and day 18 without suboxone and for the record, I sneeze at least 20 times a day right now, not to mention I have a chest cold from all of this, watery eyes, runny nose, and everything else in between!!! The last time I had the actual flu, sure I felt like shit for 3 to 4 days, but the main major symptoms soon passed!!! But the onset of what it does to your body lasts even longer once your intial “I feel like shit” symptoms are gone….Meaning…..the head cloggy, the chest cold stuff, and all the other in between still make you feel tired, helpless, and just flat worn out all of the time, not to mention all of the other stuff I’ve already said I’m going through!!!!!!! HEY HELLO, guess what???? HAD YOU stayed clean for longer than 7-14 days, you’d find out that the longer you went, the harder it is when your stamina is down, your endurance is shot, and you just are so used to those pills giving you energy, you’d found out really quick why it all takes about 30 solid days to come clean from this crap! I’m sure that is why Larry has posted or someone else about the flu-like being 4 weeks…Maybe you didn’t read enough, I don’t know…. Maybe you’ve taken it out of context somewhat, I don’t know…. Or maybe it’s simply safe to say that you were just high and don’t totally understand exactly what you are reading……With that being said, if you are going back and forth, starting and stopping, goodluck to you HELLO…. You might want to give yourself the chance to dry out just see how bad you really are addicted at this point…. Don’t fool yourself, that’s what addicts do, they have to go back continuously, over and over because it’s too hard to quit! Oh and remember, you only get one heart unless you’re lucky and somebody dies off and you happen to be next in line…… That’s what going back and forth will do for you heart too….I’ve seen it first hand this past week and 3 months prior to that….. Oh and I have to comment on your statement about being BORED and having CRAVINGS…..???? Wow, that doesn’t sound familiar at all to me does it you Larry????!!!!?????……………… MY quote, “A great man once told me in order to get respect, you have to give respect first…..” GOODLUCK HELLO, you’re gonna need it……….. CB

175. Larry C. Said,

     May 4, 2011 @ 1:06 pm

     Chuck, I forgot about the sneezing. Anything over 3 sneezes and your kicking. hahahaha
     I used to have sneezing fits while getting off the Subs, so bad that it would make my arms hurt.
     Funny anytime I sneeze more than two times ina row, it bring back those memories of kicking.

176. Kelly Said,

     May 5, 2011 @ 12:33 am

     I’ve been using Norco 10/325 for at least 3 years now & I started with 4 pills a day to now going through a bottle of 100 pills in 10 days or less I know I have a serious problem my question is do I just stop cold Turkey? Its been 2 days since I’ve had any pills because I ran out. I can get some if u think its safer to slowly taper off. I just don’t know what is best. I haven’t slept well at all & I’ve had horrible pain & headaches, and I’ve been suffering with depression for the past 2 months. I am also Bipolar & under a new Psychiatrist who I am still waiting to get on his schedule hopefully this month, but in the mean time I wondered if you could please help me?

177. Tyler Said,

     May 5, 2011 @ 7:59 am

     Hey everyone! I hope everyone is staying strong, I know I am! Today is day 12 opiate free, and day 6 suboxone free. I’m still feeling tired, but ya just have to push through. Once you get out, it takes your mind off it a lil. I’ll make it for sure. Not much else to write, got my stuff moved into my new place yesterday, so I guess today would be the first day of the rest of my life, opiate free! Again, a million thanks to Larry and Chuck for all the advice and encouragement, it made all the difference! I might not be back on the site as often, because I feel like I need to close this chapter of my life and move on. Anyone going through this struggle will always be in my heart, and know you are among friends on this site. Writing your feelings and hearing others stories as you fight this battle will help so much. I hope for the best for everyone out there. Just know you are not alone, this is becoming a epidemic, especially in Florida where I live. Stay strong and don’t give up!

178. Larry C. Said,

     May 5, 2011 @ 9:38 am

     If you’re already in day two, why not just keep going? Keep coming back here and talking about it. tell people how you’re doing, and read how others are doing. Support from others, support to others who come after you…
     Read this post: The Thomas Recipe Alternative, Larry’s Recipe for Opiate Withdrawal
     Good luck, keep us posted.
     Larry

179. Chuck B Said,

     May 5, 2011 @ 10:58 am

     Tyler……I AM SOOOOOO FREAKING HAPPY FOR YOU MAN!!!! I REALLY AM!!! I knew you could do it and had faith in you to overcome! It’s still a battle man… I’m gonna give you a heads up okay… The suboxone will leave totally around day 9-11 and you will know when you are completely on your own okay… You will feel the change mentally… Listen to me, DO NOT give in and relapse friend! Overcome the thoughts of maybe just going and getting one or two, especially on the weekends okay…. I am gonna hush now! You’ve got it by the tail now my friend! Go be a light to someone and shine like everything man, you deserve it too! Take care, goodluck, and may God Bless You and Yours!!! Chuck B

180. Chuck B Said,

     May 5, 2011 @ 11:27 am

     Kelly………DON’T GIVE UP!!! Hang in there with everything in you! I promise you after the 72nd hour, everything starts getting a little easier and easier……count back to your last pill…??? Then start counting the hours since then and once you reach the magic hour of 72 as I call it, you should begin to feel the aches and pain begin to ease up and then start counting the days, being sure to take them one day at a time! What we’ve done to our bodies didn’t take place overnight okay….so we must allow some time for our bodies to heal naturally and regain our energy and strength slowly but surely… I’m thinking you are wanting to hear a time frame…….Okay: Day 2 and 3 are usually the worst, maybe remnants of day 4 lingering with the bad stuff too……Day 7-10 you should be healing pretty good from the initial hard, body aches and pains, and recovering much better! Day 15-20 you will continue to regain strength and energy, be weary of the mentals creeping back in telling you that you could use a pain pill or two….. In all my times of going through it (at least 5 that I remember detoxing), usually around the 30th day, you begin to really feel like you again and that for the most part your natural body regimens are kicking in and fighting off this and that for you now and you aren’t as weak as you once were! Kelly, there is light at the end of the tunnel, even though you can’t see it now, I promise you there is! You must continue to come here and write down your thoughts and feelings, this at least helps you to console to people that are in or have been in the same boat as you! It’s great therapy and does the body good just to have somebody there to hear you, especially if you are going at this alone! Remember, one pill was too many and a thousand is NEVER AND WILL NEVER be enough! Keep posting and reading as much as you can about how to overcome and get different ideas and perspectives, it’s good information during this time of need……….. God Bless! CB

181. Todd Blaze McNeill Said,

     May 6, 2011 @ 6:18 pm

     I’m on day 9 and I get major cravings when I get home from work(it’s usually the time I took a percocet to help through the pain of housework and destress) I’m tired as hell I mean no energy at all. I’m taking L-Tyrosine 2000mg plus a multi-vitamin,and I still got anxiety. If I took one pill would it put me back at square one or what? I need to help out around my house it’s only me and my wife and we have a rather large home…any positive comments will do.

182. Larry C. Said,

     May 7, 2011 @ 7:24 am

     Todd try using Melissa, available at any health food store or through amazon, on the sidebar to the right over there —>
     it will calm your nerves and help with anxiety. yes, if you take one drug then you start at square one all over again. You will have no energy for a little while, but it will get better each day you are off the pills. maybe a little maybe a lot eventually, but it does get better. It just takes time.
     good luck and let us know how you’re doing from time to time.

183. Tyler Said,

     May 7, 2011 @ 10:51 am

     Hey everyone! Hope everybody is doing well. Today is day 8 sub free and about 14 days opiate free. Still lagging in the energy department but I can push through that. Not sure if it’s cause today was the first morning I woke up in my new place alone with no work, or if it’s cause the subs are leaving my body, or both, but I’m feeling really sad today. I think it’s mostly just cause I miss my ex still. Adjusting to life pill free and alone at the same time might be tougher than I thought. But no fear, I will not go back to the pills. I am still well aware that they are what got me here, so how in the world would they help me! Taking a pill isn’t going to make my ex come back, well nothing will at this point, but still! Anyway, just wanted to check in, as it always makes me feel a lil better. Stay strong and keep fighting everyone, I know I will!

184. Cole Said,

     May 10, 2011 @ 10:07 am

     Shew 24 hours since my last pill. A Perc 30 ive been on pain pills now for about 5 months… It all started when i lost my job i had done them b4 on and off but never got addicted like i am now…. Ive takin everything from perc 5 to 80 oxy to morphone…. Im feeling preatty crappy but seeing there are other people dealing with it like me makes me feel a little better . I dont feel alone anymore. To make it worse i planned to get clean this week b.c school is over and i had a free week. Well right when i decide to quite i get a virus sinus infection. So now im withdrawling and have a sinuse infection. Woot Woot i know i can do it though.

185. Larry C. Said,

     May 10, 2011 @ 7:22 pm

     You are hardly the only one going through this, hahaha thanks for saying that, there are probably hundreds more feeling the same exact way right now. and you just let them know they are NOT alone.
     Check back and tell us your progress…
     Larry

186. Larry C. Said,

     May 10, 2011 @ 7:24 pm

     Tyler, awesome man….yeah you are going through 2 huge life changes right now. Withdrawal, and withdrawal. one from a drug and one from a relationship…huge things on both accounts. not to be taken lightly…keep it up man….hang in there….

187. Melissa Said,

     May 11, 2011 @ 9:12 pm

     Hi guys, hope everyone is doing well. After a four year opiate habit, with a few breaks here and there, I’ve decided I’m done. I started off with percs, then oxycontin, then hydrocodone (along with anything else I could get a hold of). It dawned on me that long after the legit pain that i originally had disappeared i was taking pain meds to help numb emotional trauma. Not good. So this is day 14 without the norcos. Like a friggen idiot I have taken a few tramadol during these 14 days. I only took like 2 a day then I’d go two or three days without, then take two. The last two I took were two days ago. I can certainly tell they were dragging out my withdrawal and pretty much making me feel
     shittier, so I trashed them. Anyway, I do feel lots better, energy is coming back great, etc, but I’m still getting the godawful cold sweats. They come and go, but man they are so annoying. Is it normal to still be getting these? Also having anxiety off and on and sleep is a problem of course. I have noticed that getting outside and sweating in the sun helps subside the anxiety and sweats the rest of the day,so I’m out there everyday. Exercise is awesome too, when you get to the point that you have the energy to get out of bed. I’ve been reading this thread since I started my detox (I don’t know why I haven’t posted earlier). Just wanted to tell you guys that you’re awesome. It’s very inspiring and comforting to come here and read that you all are doing it too. I feel like I know you all . Tyler, I’m sorry about your break up. I too recently went through one. I know it’s harder to kick (or do anything for that matter) when it seems like you’re alone. We’re gonna be fine though. We all will as long as we stay on the right track. Even though I don’t want them now, I’m a little worried about the cravings that I’m sure will pop up eventually. I live in south Florida and getting pain meds here is like going to the store and getting candy. Guess I’ll just have to take one day at a time. Have a great night everyone, and thanks for the motivation!

188. Larry C. Said,

     May 12, 2011 @ 8:23 am

     great to have you here Melissa. Keep up the detox. You’ve got two full days off the opiates,it gets better from here…keep up coming back and checking in and letting us know how you’re doing.
     Larry

189. Melissa Said,

     May 12, 2011 @ 10:43 am

     Thankfully I don’t think I took enough tramadol to get into my system good. I took a few of those to help ease my withdrawals, but didn’t know they were opiates as well and are just as addictive. I feel like punching that doctor in the face. Oh well I feel great today, so I’ll take it.

190. Tyler Said,

     May 12, 2011 @ 2:33 pm

     Hey Melissa, I’m so glad you decided to share your story. It will truly help you and others who read it. I’m going on day 13 without anything and day 20 without any oxys. I hear and feel everything your saying! I’m still a lil low on energy, and the anxiety does come on strong sometimes. But your right, getting in the sun definatly helps, even if it’s just for a drive. I can’t tell you how many times I ended up just driving to a parking lot and sitting in the car reading these posts, just to get out. And yes I still get the cold sweats, ESPECIALLY at night when I’m sleeping, it’s very annoying! When the cravings hit, just try to remind yourself that taking a pill will actually make things worse- you’ll still have the underlying issues in your life, but now on top of that you’d be disappointed in yourself. For me, it’s like- if I fix all the problems goin on in my life, I find another girl and fall in love and start a family, and achieve all my goals- if after all that, I’m still unhappy, then and only then, MIGHT I think about taking a pill again, but I doubt it! I know what you mean about availability of pills cause I’m in Florida also. Just try to stay occupied and if your ever in doubt, get on here and talk it out. There are some very compassionate people here with many kind, encouraging words to help you through (myself included).. YOURE NOT ALONE. Stay strong Melissa, we’ll be thinking about you!
     Chuck, it’s been awhile. I’m sure you’re just spending time pill free with friends and loved ones. But I’m thinking bout you and I hope all is well with you! Stay strong all!

191. Melissa Said,

     May 12, 2011 @ 9:02 pm

     Thanks Tyler! You’re certainly right, I’d be extremely disappointed with myself. I never ever wanna go through this shit again. You will find another girl. And when you do you can start fresh without drugs. I’m so excited about getting back out in the world as the “old me”!

192. what_i_know Said,

     May 12, 2011 @ 9:37 pm

     I’m just gunna give you alittle background first.
     I used to take 3-4 80mgs ocs not the new op trash per day. I snorted them 80-120mgs at a time for about a year.
     when I quit I took a 8mg suboxone per day for 2weeks. The first day or two I took two, one in the morning and one a few hours before bed. I really had no bad withdrawals with this method, runny nose and some night sweats here and there.
     The next time I was taking vicodins 5mgs, 7.5′s, 10′s whatever ones I could get my hands on.
     I was taking from 50-90mgs per dose twice a day for around 6 months. this time I used methadone 10mgs to quit.
     I liked these more because I got a buzz and had no cravings like when taking subs.
     I took them for 10 days, 15mgs the first 3 days. Took a 10 in the morning and a Half 5mg about a 2 hours before bed.
     Never had any bad symptoms of withdrawals this was the best thing I have found. I recommend this if u can find them, if not you also got the suboxone or subutex.
     I have withdrawn many times I have been on and off them more times then I can count.
     Also another thing I found was a must was to keep around 50mgs around in reserve. you will he very thankful if u can’t find any and have to start withdraws. what I found works best is to take 5-10mgs about a hour or a half hour before bed. Chew them up if u want them to actually do something with that small of a dose. It will make it so u can sleep. Your just gunna have to fight the withdrawals in he day. Just stay busy, it sucks but u have to wear yourself out. It really helps also do some push ups sit ups and wall squats if your sore it will help.
     I hope this will help you guys, sorry about the poor grammer and such. Typed it on the fly on my phone.

193. what_i_know Said,

     May 12, 2011 @ 9:44 pm

     I forgot but things like tramodol and altram and things like that work to help. The synthetics that won’t get u high. I would say never take xanax kpins anything like that. You have a substance abuse problem no reason to give urself a chance to get hooked.

194. Kyle Said,

     May 21, 2011 @ 3:32 am

     Hi my name is kyle and i have been using opiates for eight months and i have finally decided its time to stop (cold turkey) i would use percocets daily around 5-6 perk 10′s or perk thirties. I have told my parents on thursday night that i have been a user and they r tryin to help me out. Its day two of not using and i am very emotional and can not sleep how long does it take to get through withdraws

195. Larry C. Said,

     May 21, 2011 @ 9:26 am

     Kyle, if you’ve been reading this thread you might already know.
     It takes about 3-7 days for you to get over the physical parts, as well as the emotional and no sleeping, IF you are on just opiates. If you are doing Suboxone or Methadone, it’s much longer. So if you are on day 2, it will be kicking in hard today and you’ll see the light at the end of the tunnel(not a train) starting tomorrow.
     Keep us posted on your progress. It does and will get better and you will get back to normal eventually.
     Just hang in there.
     Larry

196. marie Said,

     May 23, 2011 @ 4:50 pm

     Day 1 coming off roxies, percs, and methadone. Sort of planned for this so I have a suboxone. Absolute worst few hours of my like this morning puking, hurting, sweating, etc. Took bout 2mg suboxone and feel a little better. This is my 1st and last time doing this. I’m just so sad thinking this is only day 1 and I have at least 4 more days of this. I have work that needs done and kids to take care of and I can’t imagine not doing anything for the next 4 days. Thanks everyone for posting. Helps to find out I’m not alone

197. Larry C. Said,

     May 23, 2011 @ 8:55 pm

     Marie, be thankful it’s ONLY 4 more days instead of 30.
     post back and let us kno how you are doing ok?
     Good Luck!!!
     Larry

198. marie Said,

     May 24, 2011 @ 6:43 am

     Day 2. Took a sliver of suboxone last night before bed. Probably not even 1mg but I slept okay and woke up not feeling like I am gonna die. Much better than yesterday. My hubby and I are trying to….no wait …..we ARE kicking this habit together. Me for the 1st time him for the 10th. But this is it. I have way more confidence today and I know we can do this.

199. marie Said,

     May 24, 2011 @ 7:01 am

     Question: I only plan on staying on the suboxone for a few days then done with everything. Should I expect to experience any withdrawl coming off the suboxone?

200. Larry C. Said,

     May 24, 2011 @ 8:14 am

     You can make it, its just painful, and doesn’t feel good, mentally, emotionally and physically. You won’t die from this.

201. Larry C. Said,

     May 24, 2011 @ 8:15 am

     Suboxone has a longer half life than a regular opiate, so it will take about twice as long to detox from suboxone than an opiate. Suboxone is a partial opiate and like methadone, can take longer to go through the complete process of withdrawl, but since you are taking so little of it, you shouldn’t have the gnarly withdrawal I did that lasted 30 days.
     Larry

202. marie Said,

     May 24, 2011 @ 5:02 pm

     So sad. Crying for no reason other than I am so very sad. Feel like the only way I’ll every be happy again is to be on something. Don’t even have the energy to participate wholeheartedly in my daughter’s “tea party” right now. So very sad. Gotta push thru this. I have to or no “tea party” will ever be a happy one ever again. Right? Right?

203. Larry C. Said,

     May 24, 2011 @ 8:39 pm

     Marie, this is one of the BIGGEST reasons people go back to using. It’s why I did, I just wanted to be happy again. but trust me, this is part of it, and you will get through it. you will be happy again and things will go back to normal. Just keep pushing through it. Do exercises to help eliminate it from your body and force your body to start producing it’s own endorphins.

     Also some of the supplements listed HERE will help with that depression. You’re going through alot right now, your body is freaking out and so is your mind, just remember, and I promise, things will get better, just don’t start taking pills again, it won’t help at all.

     Larry

204. marie Said,

     May 25, 2011 @ 4:35 am

     Thanks Larry. I’m trying. God help me, I’m trying. Today is not starting off as good as yesterday though. I had a lot (well a lot considering) of energy when I got up yesterday. Today I just don’t feel like moving. My legs sure feel like moving though. Gonna go take the last of my suboxone now. Larry thank you for responding to me. It is helping me.

205. Larry C. Said,

     May 25, 2011 @ 8:22 am

     Do or Do not, there is no try. hahahaha Yoda….

     Try walking today. just get out and walk for like 45 minutes or half an hour. I had to stop ever couple hundred feet because my back hurt so much but it really helped. especially if you take an ipod and listen to music.

206. marie Said,

     May 25, 2011 @ 9:42 am

     I will try to do that again today. You hit the nail on the head about the back pain! Today is the first day in a year that I am feeling all of the ailments that led me to where I am now. The herniated and bulging discs, the sciatic nerve, the crushing pain in my foot from having it broken so many times. Ouch

207. jenn Said,

     May 25, 2011 @ 7:17 pm

     i have been on an off perks and vics for 4 yrs. i have been off for 12 days wit a lil slip of 60 mg perks 4 days into it. had tramadol and zanax and 5 days of 2mg of subs, all of a sudden i feel worse then before. restless legs again, and headache like no joke. i can get pills no prob but just want to wake up with not needing a pill. im so depressed today and dont know if tomorrow is gona be better or worse. i been takin 100mg or so a day for the last yr. and after 12hrs of any narcatic i get the sweats and restlessness. i have two kids i take it out on who i love and know they so dont deserve this. i took most numbers out of my phone and my doc i told to take me off narcotic meds for my back. but i just dont get why 11 days have been fine, and today is the hardest…………….. is tomorrow gonna be better or worse?

208. Larry C. Said,

     May 25, 2011 @ 9:12 pm

     Well Jenn, You’ve been playing doctor and you’ve been playing with a bunch of different meds all together, it’s a good thing you didn’t OD and kill yourself. Suboxone has a half life that is longer than a regular opiate, so it takes longer to detox from than a regular opiate. My detox from Subs took 30 days, and went in cycles of 7 days. Every 7 days I thought I was finally over it adn the 8th day it started all over again, for 4 weeks in a row. the last week was the last of it, each week it was better than the week before.

     Also you know that when you drop a pill you start all the way back to square one? It’s not like ok I can take one here and there and be ok, you have a monkey on your back a monster inside you now and ANYTIME you take an opiate now, for the rest of your life, will wake the beast up all over again. So with the potpourri of meds you were just taking, it’s a wonder how long it may last. but I doubt longer than 30 days like mine did. maybe a few more days? check back and keep us updated. also you might try some of the herbal remedies I list in THIS POST
     Good luck and keep us posted, there are many others reading this thread who will benefit from what you are going through. Also be good to your children, they didn’t do this to you, as you say they don’t deserve this. Maybe you could send them to grandmas house for a few days or something? Just don’t go back to the pills, it will do nothing for you but exacerbate the problem.
     Larry

209. jenn Said,

     May 26, 2011 @ 3:40 pm

     thanks for writing back. im so tired. i havent slept good in 3 days. like maybe 2 hours total. and when i do, the nightmares are horrible. i am no longer on anything. i dont take the tramadol anymore either. just the zanax when i get an attack. and believe me they get bad. i feel normal today. real bad lower back pain. i went to the pharmacy and explained my sitro and he took me to the vitamins and i got 2. i also have diverticulitious and its so painful. but my boyfriend and i are on the same page and the suboxone i had one 8mg pill i waited 18 hrs before taking. then took it for a week by breaking it into small peices. i have read many places that a quick 4 or 5 day detox from that is the best. even saw it on intervetion…. its just the wanting energy. but if i made it 13 days i think i can keep it up. cant get worse and i know this for sure.! thanks and i will be updating as people dont get the freaking hint and are textin me as im typing this…. but im bout to change my number. hopefully sleep and no nightmares.! good luck to all…. and if u have never tried a painkiller…. DONTTTTTTTT. I NEVER did, id give em away. till i had my csections. im taking ibphen (sp)?, for the pain.

210. sindy Said,

     May 26, 2011 @ 4:35 pm

     I’m on day 8and i started feeling more tired and depressed. I have no motivation at all. I take aderral 30mg for adhd will this affect my brain healing from opiate abuse?

211. jenn Said,

     May 27, 2011 @ 3:24 am

     well, been up sence 3:30 and gotta be at work in 40 min. i got 6 hrs of sleep and i didnt give in. i am glad i let everyone know not to answer if i ask and if they text me i will change my number, have a refill sittin here for 60 30mgs and not callin it in. havent yet so im proud to say its been 6 full days an i actually feel normal. back hurts and just lack of sleep, which im sure will subside soon… I really wish i had someone to take the kids for 2 days so we could catch up on sleep. things would be much better. my boyfriend works til 4 am. so i get home at 2pm. he leaves at 3pm and gets home at 4am, kids wake up at 9ish,,,, so as u can imagine he is having a hard time getting ne rest. but he feels better too. thanks for letting me vent. did u mean u only lasted 30 days or u are around 30 days off them? i know iread it hear some where but i have been on so many websites i dont remember. lol. have a good day

212. jenn Said,

     May 31, 2011 @ 4:50 pm

     clearly this isnt a place to look for support. its just a place to try and sell us some stupid shit for withdrwls…. im still going strong and thought id just put it out there that ull have good days and bad days. its just how we deal with the shitty days. for me, sitting around doing nothing isnt a good thing. i take my kids for walks or swimming. anything to get the mind off the thought. no more restless legs and feel normal. havent taken nething besides tylenol pm. got refills for perks oxys zanny and tramadol. and i dont need em. so my remedy must not have been too bad. neone who is tryng to get clean, keep ur head up and each day you will feel better. good luck. peace

213. jenn Said,

     May 31, 2011 @ 5:03 pm

     sindy, day 8 was the worst for me. it was why i got on this website in the first place. i hope it got easier for u. i have two kids also. my man works nights so i work 7am-2 an he goes in at 3 pm til 4am… so im home with the boys all night and i had the hardest time not being irratated with them for no reason. today is 18 days and i feel normal. i just ripped up my script for perks. i held onto it for a wk. lol. but im never goin thru the first 2 wks again. its so not worth it. amazing the pain i feel in my back though. it just makes me realize im alive and well if i feel the pain. so many people have it worse or went to heroin. i am thankful; and hope u keep up the good work. !

214. Larry C. Said,

     May 31, 2011 @ 8:16 pm

     I’m sorry you feel that way Jenn. Because it is a place of support if you haven’t noticed. The thing I sell is my knowledge of what I have gone through and what others have known to work. I’m not trying to get rich if that’s what you think, trust me, I’m not getting rich. if anything this site costs me money to run. It is my way of giving back to people and helping others achieve a clean lifestyle. Being that I deal with ADHD and depression, and have gone through getting clean from Meth and Opiates, I think I have a little I can share. I also wanted to add, that stupid shit you’re talking about that I’m trying to sell, if you haven’t used any of it, how can you say it doesn’t work? Works for me and many others. But alas, to each their own.
     I’m glad you stopped by to share your info.
     Larry

215. Tyler Said,

     June 1, 2011 @ 6:01 pm

     Realizing what your going through, I can understand your emotions Jenn. But just know that this site DOES help people. It got me through my lowest point and now I’m well over a month clean! I can assure you that Larry isn’t intrested in money near as much as he’s intrested in helping people. I wish you nothing but the best and hope you and your boyfriend have a great life after the b.s. Is over.
     Larry, I’m still clean and I attribute alot of that to you and Chuck. I hope you know that the vast majority of people truly do appreciate what you’re doing!

216. James Said,

     June 1, 2011 @ 6:11 pm

     What a great place to come when you think your alone, I’ve been inspired and my subutex and suboxon detox is going to start RIGHT NOW !

217. Larry C. Said,

     June 1, 2011 @ 9:35 pm

     Welcome to the crowd James. Here’s your badge of Detox.

218. Larry C. Said,

     June 1, 2011 @ 9:36 pm

     Awesome Tyler!!!! Keep on Keepin on!!!

219. Bobby N Said,

     June 2, 2011 @ 3:48 am

     Hello my name is Bobby, im 22 years old and was recently dianosed with cardiomyopothy, along with tachycardia. I have not told my parents about being addicted to pain killers. I have been taking 20mg oxycontin for about 4 months now, and a mixture of 7mg percs and 10mg oxycontin. I have been using for about a year and a half now. I am trying to stop because of my hearts condition, and because my source stoped for about a day and the symptoms for that short amount of time scared the hell out of me. Now i am trying to small doses at a time to wean off. I cant tell my parents, they would be devestated. My question is, this may sound like a dumb question, can i go to the Emergency Room if my withdrawls effect me so bad? Will they treat me appropriatly for my severe panic, shivers, and rapid irregular heart rate? I have constanly been popping these pills. Once it slightly wore off, i would take another. I stoped only when i slept. My body has gotten so use to it. I know the doses are not as much as most of the writers, but i need someones help. I am very scared for my life at this point.

220. Bobby N Said,

     June 2, 2011 @ 3:58 am

     Ps- I am not sleeping at all. When i do, i and woken up instantly, stricken with panic and rapid heart rate. Also, when on the boderline of finally passing out, my breathing shortens immensely and my heat rate becomes so shallow and slow, i cant feel it beating with my hand on my chest. My foot and hand on the left side of my body also goes numb and tingley. I cant even tell my doctor i am an addict. I dont know what to do. Thanks for any responses and i really hope everyone is doing well.

221. Larry C. Said,

     June 2, 2011 @ 8:01 am

     Bobby, why can’t you tell your doctor you’re an addict? He can’t tell your parents legally by law. Patient confidentiality. You should tell him or someone, this could affect your health, but I don’t know much about your condition either so I really wouldn’t know. As far as how much you are taking, well a habit is a habit no matter how big or small. You’re just like everyone else, addicted to painkillers and getting off them is going to be unpleasant at best, but it can be done. I suggest you talk to your doctor, so you don’t have complications.
     Let us know what happens. Read all the comments and keep coming back.
     Larry

222. Bobby N Said,

     June 2, 2011 @ 12:06 pm

     Thank you for the response Larry, i really appreciate it. I find it hard to tell my doctor because this whole time while being tested for my symptoms with my heart, panic disorder, and depression, i never once told anyone, including cardiologist that i have been using. I feel that i would be insulting there help and basically being selfish for the need to get high off these cursed pills. I was also seeing a phycologist as well, i couldnt even tell him. I swell with pride at humanity when i read the comments on this website. People helping one another, not only for the hope to get better themselves, but to help others as well. You are all great people, and i knew from my first visit here yesterday, i will be a part of these discussions. Thank you everyone.

223. Larry C. Said,

     June 2, 2011 @ 7:44 pm

     I don’t think they would take it as you insulting them, I think they would take it as “Thanks for telling us so we can better help you.” But eventually you will have to tell someone. I mean whats the worst they will do? call you an asshole? big deal. When people addicted to painkillers ask for help, they appreciate it. but some doctors are fucking clueless. So maybe hit some NA meetings and talk about it there? You might find someone who has the same issues as you and they may be able to tell you what to expect.
     Larry

224. CC Said,

     June 3, 2011 @ 4:24 am

     I can’t believe I am at the end of the comments! I am entering day 3 without opiates! : / Going on no sleep and should be getting up for work in two hrs. I have been on 10mg blues for 4-5 yrs. Only using socially, but then…slowly adding more! I always said this shit would never happen to me! I actually talked shit about “those junkies!” Well, karma is a BITCH! I’ve seen drugs completly destroy familes, friends and several relationships. I’ve seen too many young adults loose their struggle with addiction and die! I’ve never stopped takin’ the pills..until now. In January, I went from ten/day 10mg of vicodin to four pills/day. Mainly bc I started taking adderall 10mg. I actually forgot about the tabs and I was happy with the results with regards to my career. However, I kept snorting the pills often..in 5mg doses. I stopped snorting the pills about ten days ago and for some reason…It allowed me to cut my dose in half. June 1st was my first day without the tabs. The adderall has helped me get through work and have a little energy. But, dosen’t last long…I crashed hard core today around 1:00 pm. All I wanted to do is sleep! Have I slept…nope! I will not be at work shortly like I planned! My addiction is beyond PRIVATE! No one knows, but reading all these stories has helped me tonight. I jus know what I’m going thro, are normal WD symptoms. I jus want day 3 to come and go. I started to laugh when I read other people have experienced sneezing?! Me too! I thought my allergies were coming back… Good Luck to you all! : )

225. Larry C. Said,

     June 3, 2011 @ 10:08 am

     welcome and good luck with it. keep us posted how you are doing. I off to go hiking to day folks, Today is my 47th birthday.
     Larry

226. James Said,

     June 3, 2011 @ 6:34 pm

     Hey Jenn, It dosent matter to me what people try to sell on any site, alot of time its the people that share there experince that makes it a place that looks comfortable. Ive never even explored this place, somehow I landed on this part and I thought it was great, Strangers being brutly honest with strangers. I thought I was ready to change my life but it is much harder than I realized. Instead of lashing out and being aggressive and hanging in there and being pissed off at the whole f’n world, Im relapsing on my third day! So go ahead and be pissed, IM PROUD OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

227. jenn Said,

     June 6, 2011 @ 4:53 pm

     lol, i had hard days. i just thought it a lil off that there are pop ups for being this book or whatever to get off the pain meds. and maybe it does work for people. my whole prob was the doc givin me a never ending script andbeng on a yr long waiting list for a speacialtst. i feel so much more energy now then when takin the pills and the nightmares were the worst. my man n i had a real melt down 12 days in and we both cried. my mom a nd dad were both in hospital for two dif reaasons and then my 1 yr old son as well stopped breathing on his own. so life has thrown some hard balls at me. but its so much easier to not have to wonder how to get thru those hard times with no pills. i told doc to take me off and i feel a thousnd times better. it just bothered me to write and not hear back. i have family that is currently doing that to me knowing what i am going thru and i felt on here i had support. but its been 28 days and i had someone offer me 20 perk tens to pay f0r a ride. i gave em away. i didnt even think of eatting em. fuck going thru the first 8 days again. keep ur heads up. and they say 7 is the magic number to slip up and then finally get it. but u gotta do it for u. not ur kids not ur man not ur job, if ur mind doesnt wanna give up then u mine as well keep eatting em.
     stay strong. an sotty if u cant read this my lapt top is beat so i cant see what im wrting.
     i just was bithered by larry saying he doubted id make is a few days and he mad eit 30 days. that is why i said i thought was support group….but im good. and over the demand. yay.

228. Justin Said,

     June 6, 2011 @ 7:47 pm

     Hey guys ive been reading this site for a few days now and decided last night its my time to stop this mess.. been on oxy for almost 2 years and its consumed my life, and one of my fears of stopping has always been the withdrawl symptoms. well im currently on hour 27 of sobriety and am laying in bed knowing that i wont be able to get any sleep.. ive been taking the thomas recipe alternative and it seems to be helping a little bit which is nice.. ill keep you guys updated, wish me luck!

229. Larry C. Said,

     June 6, 2011 @ 8:08 pm

     hi Jenn, I NEVER said you’d make it only a few days. NEVER. Slow down and read what I wrote. I said that my detox from suboxone took 30 days. It went in cycles of 7 days. It would get better and after 7 days the detox would start over again as the half life of suboxone is longer than a regular opiate. So on day 8, 16and 24, it was like the detox started all over again, until I hit 30 days and I was finally through it.

     I also said that if you were doing suboxone, it might be longer than a few days to get through it. I’m glad you made it and good luck with the family, it’s always easier to deal with when your head is clear.

230. Larry C. Said,

     June 6, 2011 @ 8:09 pm

     Welcome Justin and stick to it. you’re already that much more into it that you NEVER have to do again.two more days and you’ll be through the worst of it.
     Let me know what you think of that alternative recipe, worked great for me. So did exercise!
     Good Luck,
     Larry

231. Justin Said,

     June 7, 2011 @ 9:15 am

     Hey larry, the alternative recipe has been working great.. i can definatly feel the help, i actually got about 4 hours of sleep last night with the help of some nyquill.. i bought everything you suggested in the recipe and have been taking it religiously… im on hour 41 of detox and staying strong!! gonna try to stay busy today to keep my mind off things.. ill check back in later tonight

232. Bobby N Said,

     June 8, 2011 @ 12:27 am

     just wanted to stop by and wish everyone a healthy future. Thank you everyone for leaving comments, although the struggles are the same, the battle is different for each of us. Happy belated birthday Larry!!!! Hope you had a great time. Take care everyone.

233. Larry C. Said,

     June 8, 2011 @ 9:02 am

     Thanks Bobby!!!

234. Larry C. Said,

     June 8, 2011 @ 9:03 am

     Awesome Glad to hear it!!!

235. Suffering Said,

     June 9, 2011 @ 2:26 pm

     I have a question for you. I have 4 herniated discs in my low back,
     from L2 down with very bad scoliosis. My Ortho doctor does not want
     to try to do surgery and fuse all 4 discs. He said he would have to
     put 2 rods in to straighten my back due to my recently developed
     scoliosis. I was in a car accident several years ago and have already had my neck fused twice. I also have leukemia with a WBC
     count of 36,000. I have had several other surgeries. I was taking
     Opana 40 mg tid and percocet 10/325 Q 6 hrs. I have been off them
     for 7 days now but my back is hurting so much it is making me sick.
     I am very happy mentally, but physically it is tough. Do you have any suggestions?

236. Larry C. Said,

     June 9, 2011 @ 8:46 pm

     Dear Suffering, the pain sends the mind to places it would not normally go, doesn’t it? I know mine did.
     On the side bar to the right over there—->
     Is where I FINALLY got relief from my back pain. No meds, but some very specific stretching that gave me almost instant relief from the pain in my back. ALSO know that when you are withdrawing, the pain in your back is intensified. even if you didn’t have a back injury your back would fucking hurt. The hair on my arms used to hurt when I was kicking. If someone brushed up against then I would be in pain. No shit. Email the support guys there at the healthy back institute and ask them if they think they can help your situation, they are honest and straight up. Like I said I am pain free today because of them.

237. Jl Said,

     June 14, 2011 @ 3:18 pm

     I am getting off lorcet 10 been on them for over a yr. It really sucks too have a chronic pain problem but im tired of taking pills. Im coming off everything im just tired off being sick. Please tell me it is going too been worth it.

238. Larry C. Said,

     June 14, 2011 @ 3:35 pm

     It’s going to be oh so worth it. You will be more than happy you got off that stuff. As I’ve told others, look into the Healthy back institute on the side bar over there —-> which is what I did to get rid of my back problems. It’s been the ONLY thing that has worked for me.
     Good luck, keep checking back and posting your progress.

     Larry

239. Jl Said,

     June 15, 2011 @ 11:16 am

     Ok it’s been 50 hrs and im battling thru just like everyone else. Last night was horrible I really didnt realize the hold this stuff had on me. But im gonna do it or die tryin. Im also quiting smoking but maybe the worst half is behind me. I stay scared that I may have a flare up with my pancreas to which my chronic pain is (pancreatitis) that would totally scrw up these last few days. God I hate this. Reading everyone s msgs have helped me thanks for sharing. And lary I thank u too. Ill try to write again l8r.

240. Larry C. Said,

     June 15, 2011 @ 11:24 am

     If I might suggest you not try to quit too many things at once? like smoking? I’d focus on the opiates first, then the cigarettes later. Kicking opiates is a hard thing, but if you feel you can hack it go for it, power to you!!!!
     but if you are going to relapse, relapse on cigarettes. not opiates.
     Keep it coming!
     Larry

241. Jl Said,

     June 16, 2011 @ 8:33 am

     Ok I’m in day 3 and feeling better than yesterday actually feel like getting out of bed. I’ve been cleanin house, yeah me haha. Last night I got about 6 hrs sleep which for me is normal my moodswings have lessend. I’m going to make it I just know it. I’ve still got the shakes though does anyone know how long that will last? Good luck everyone and God bless.

242. Larry C. Said,

     June 16, 2011 @ 8:43 am

     The shakes are part of the physical withdrawal, you should be over them soon. You could use some Melissa to calm the nerves, which you can get online or at Henrys or other health food store. Glad to hear you’re feeling better.
     Larry

243. Jl Said,

     June 16, 2011 @ 9:27 pm

     Thanks larry u have been a life line for me through this I have talked to noone else about this I am a sufferer in silence type of person so just having an sort of outlet has helped dramaticaly thak u again. I hope I’m not driving u nuts yet it just helps to know I’m not alone.

244. Jl Said,

     June 17, 2011 @ 7:33 am

     Feeling better still my thought process has even cleared I begin my fourth day today. My mood has been great. This site has been a life saver for me. You were so right it has been and will be oh so worth it thank you for your encouragement, it’s good to talk to someone who has been through it. This melissa has really helped out with my anxiety thanks again.

245. Larry C. Said,

     June 17, 2011 @ 1:32 pm

     More than welcome…

246. Larry C. Said,

     June 17, 2011 @ 1:33 pm

     Yeah the Melissa helped me a whole lot with my anxiety. really calmed me and my nerves down.Glad you’re making it!!!

247. Jl Said,

     June 18, 2011 @ 8:09 am

     Day FIVE!!!!! Still going strong. And if I can do it ANYBODY can do it. God luck to everyone out there. Peace.

248. julie Said,

     June 20, 2011 @ 7:17 am

     I have been using roxy 30s and methadone for about a year. Usually 10-20mg of methadone a day and sometimes as much as 240mg of roxy a day. Did my last roxy 8 days ago and have been on 10mg of methadone per day since. Took my last 10mg of methadone 48hrs ago. I am having very mild withdrawals. Very mild compared to when i tried to stop straight off the roxys with no methadone. Should I expect my withdrawal to get much worse than this? I have a suboxne strip just in case but if this is as bad as its gonna get I will just pus through. I don’t think I’m withdrawaling bad enough to take the suboxone and I don’t want to put myself in precipitated withdrawal. Thx for any advice you can give.

249. Larry C. Said,

     June 20, 2011 @ 4:39 pm

     How are you feeling now Julie?

250. julie Said,

     June 21, 2011 @ 7:09 am

     I ended up taking 1mg of suboxone yesterday cuz I had 2 start a new job and I was shaking uncontrollably. It made me feel like myself again! That was yesterday at about noon. I feel pretty good with the exception of the back and neck problems that brought me to this point in the 1st place. Couldn’t fall asleep last night but it wasn’t because of pain or RLS. I just couldnt fall asleep. All in all I would say I feel pretty good. Going to try to not take anymore suboxone today. I feel so happy that I’m finally done with this garbage

251. Larry C. Said,

     June 21, 2011 @ 8:45 am

     Hi Julie Glad you are feeling better. The sleeplessness will subside soon, it’s all a part of the WD process. I too came to this point because of back issues as well. I just put up a blog post the other day talking about this specific issue, those of us who have back problems and were put on painkillers. Many are always asking about what to do about their back pain and issues. In that blog post I talk about the place I went and what I did and now I am pain free. check out the blog post here:
     http://www.howtogetoffpainkillers.com/addicted-to-painkillers-from-back-pain-herniated-disks-and-more/
     Good luck and report back to us and let us know how you are doing.
     Larry

252. julie Said,

     June 21, 2011 @ 9:06 am

     Thank you very much Larry. I will check out the blog right now. I will do anything not to go back on pain pills. Thanks again

253. julie Said,

     June 23, 2011 @ 9:41 am

     just wanted 2 check in and say still pill free! I did take another 1mg of suboxone today though. Definitely going 2stop taking that by the weekend though. Do not want to trade 1 drug 4 another. Thanks 4 the support Larry!

254. LostMom Said,

     June 24, 2011 @ 7:09 am

     I need help – I don’t have anyone I can talk to and I’m too embarrased to anyway. I have been taking 2 Oxycontin 60′s a day along with 4 – 5 Oxy 15mg a day. I started taking them legitimately for severe pain but now I am worried that I’m taking them just because I’m used to taking them and I don’t know what my pain levels are even at now because I never allow myself to find out. I want to stop all together. I have a beautiful family and I want to enjoy them. I hate the way I feel taking these pills, I hate the guilt that comes along with them, I hate depending on them every dam day to get thru….I think for my personality, cold turkey might be the best way for me. Do you think there are any dangers in that? Has anyone been taking around the same amount as me and done it? how did you feel when you did? I appreciate any help/advice I can get…I’m desperate..

255. Alive&Kicking Said,

     June 24, 2011 @ 5:10 pm

     Lost Mom,

     I am at this writing, 45 hours into my cold turkey oxy 15 withdrawal. I had a car accident with neck and back injuries (with surgery) that got me started and then shortly after that was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer with a painful tumor that put intense pressure on my back and nerve endings. I took less than my prescribed dose each day but realized that there was never a day in which I didn’t take at least 4 oxy/15 a day. I stopped seeing my pain management specialist (drug pusher) around 4 months ago. I am not out of my presciptions (had extras each month) but, I am just so sick and tired of taking the damn things every day. What really helped me make that decision is that I lost my youngest child last month and realized that the pain meds were interferring with my ability to fully grieve. I need to feel my grief so that I can be a fully functioning human being.

     It sounds like that is what you want, to be a fully functioning human being. You can do it. Seek whatever support you can get or want. Even if it is just from online.

     You can do it. This is the mantra I have to keep telling myself when my legs and back ache so bad and I am having stomach cramps and running to the bathroom every few minutes. I tell myself that taking anything for the aches will only prolong my withdrawal and that the cramps are nowhere near as bad as childbirth. I am having so much fun sneezing my brains out and yawning, sniffling and watery eyes. For that stuff I just pretend it’s my allergies. I say to myself …. just pretend you have the flu and you have to wait it all out. It comes and goes … all this stuff. I got up this morning and actually thought … wow, I feel pretty good, this is going to be easy but, that only lasted about 2 hours and the aches started back up and then the other stuff. I’ve told myself that the aches are my body crying for the oxy and that if I give in then I’m back at square one and that’s the last place I want to be. Don’t get overwhelmed with the syptoms I’m listing. They aren’t constant and we can get through anything in short spurts.

     I hope I have helped to give you some hope and some reality. I have found that the night is the worse especially for the aches and restless legs. Last night I took a muscle relaxer and it seemed to help some.So, forward I go to the goal of being pain med free. Damn those pain management specialists!

256. Larry C. Said,

     June 24, 2011 @ 5:59 pm

     thanks for giving that kick ass reply to Lost Mom…You are awesome!

257. Alive&Kicking Said,

     June 24, 2011 @ 6:51 pm

     Thanks Larry … but you are the awesome one. Thanks for supporting the site! I came across it last night at a tough point and it really helped alot.

258. Larry C. Said,

     June 24, 2011 @ 8:12 pm

     Thanks, I appreciate that. I did the site because I know what other are going through. I t was fucking rough for me for 30 days straight getting off suboxone. I know others are having a hard time of it, and have no support. I had my wife who knew what I was going through and supported me ever step of the way, to the toilet hahahahaha….

259. Alive&Kicking Said,

     June 25, 2011 @ 10:51 am

     I am now at 61 hours oxy free. Yikes!!! What a rough night. I now understand how people can accidently overdose on things. All night I wanted to just take anything to stop the restless legs and the aches. I took a muscle relaxer and a hot bath and that helped for about a half hour and then it started all over again. I think I might have slept restlessly for about 20 minutes at a time. Each time I wanted to take another muscle relaxer to see if it woul help slow down my legs but, thankfully I got through it. Thank gawd for online games because it does help to have my mind engaged in something. I played timed games most of the night just to keep my head engaged in something and my mind off the withdrawal symptoms and somehow managed to get through.

     I have added immodium to my arsenal this morning as the cramping and diarrhea were so rough last night. I also had my roommate run and get me some benadryl so that I have some just in case I can’t sleep again tonight. I am having some longer periods of … Hey it’s getting better … followed by reminders that I am definitely still withdrawing. I can’t wait for the majority of this physical stuff to stop. I have a Monday morning appointment that I can’t miss and I really think that I will be good to make it there.

     I have been taking a multi-vitamin, extra calcium, magnisium, ALA, and for extra potassium I’m eating bananas (they help slow down the digestive track). Anyone doing this needs to remember to hydrate, hydrate, hydrate!

260. julie Said,

     June 25, 2011 @ 3:25 pm

     To LostMom…..I am on my 7th full day totally clean. I am also a mom and feel your pain. IT DOES GET BETTER. Every hour is easier than the last. Larry kept saying in earlier posts to take it 1 day at a time and at 1st I scoffed at the idea but it is soooo true. There is nothing more powerful than a mothers love….not even an opiate addiction. Truthfully, several times during the first few days I told myself I would rather go through childbirth than this ever again but I promise u….with all my heart…..it is worth every minute of the withdrawals to look into my daughters eyes with a clear head and enjoy her and my older son too. If u want to talk with me further plz repost here and I will post my email address. You can do it

261. LostMom Said,

     June 25, 2011 @ 6:02 pm

     Thank you so much for replying and giving me hope. I just want myself back. I can’t even believe I let this happen to myself. I am so disgusted. I have no one to blame but the person in the mirror but I have to admit, these pills have changed that person in the mirror to someone I don’t know anymore…I keep reading these posts and trying to convince myself that I can do this and I will get there..thanks for everyone who posts and shares their stories…you are really helping alot of people out there more than you know…….

262. Larry C. Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 12:55 am

     Try not to be so hard on yourself. How many days have you gotten so far? have you started?
     It’s all about supporting each other through the hard times. and everyone get s a bit cranky and bitchy to say the least through these times.
     but it goes away and it does get better.
     Larry

263. julie Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 6:53 am

     LostMom…..Larry is right (again….lol). Don’t be so hard on yourself. When you first took a pill did you do so with the intention of endin up addicted? No. Chances are, you probably didn’t even know this was a possibility. Most people don’t. The fact that you realize you must stop is a HUGE step. My husband and I were doing the pills for years. He was telling me for a long time we needed to stop and I just ignored him. I didn’t think it was a big deal. He was addicted to heroin years and years ago and I knew all about that but I can honestly say I had absolutely no clue that getting addicted to pain pills was just as bad as heroin. I truly thought that if it was that bad the doctors never would have given them to me. I believed that only weak people could let themselves be “addicted”. Boy oh boy was I wrong. I now know that some of the STRONGEST people in the world are the ones who become addicted then realize they need help on their own. And those people, like Larry, who can get off the pills and stay off them are by far the strongest people in the world. You can do it and I promise to be here for you if you want to talk about anything. I must tell you…..I was having a bad day yesterday and when I read your post YOU inspired me to make it through the day. One of my dealers called me while I was reading your story and I ignored it because I don’t want to go back to where I was 8 days ago. So I want to THANK YOU, LostMom, for helping me. Think about that the next time you look in the mirror. I know you can do it.

264. julie Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 7:15 am

     LostMom…..one more thing I wanted to share was how I kinda tried to taper off at the end to help lessen the withdrawals. I was taking as much as 300mg a day of oxycodone plus 30mg a day of methadone and some percocets here and thre. I’m not going to give you some long schedule for how to do it, everyone is different. But I do know that when I stopped cold turkey off the roxys I thought I would die. I took about a wek to lessen my daily dosage until I was at 10mg of methadone every 24-36 hours then stopped. The withdrawals were mild compared to every other way I had tried. They weren’t a walk in the park but definitely more manageable. Just thought I would share that.

265. Larry C. Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 9:00 am

     You gotta try the Melissa, that stuff is amazing…

266. Larry C. Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 9:02 am

     Whenever the urge to get loaded comes up, help someone else who is newer, it always helps and you feel so grateful afterward.

267. Larry C. Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 9:03 am

     I go for a minute at a time, an hour at a time sometimes. Anything to get me through what I was or am going through…

268. Alive&Kicking Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 9:17 am

     Update: 84 hours into CT oxy/15 withdrawal this morning. Feeling like I am over the very worse of the physical but, definitely not done. Geez! I can hardly stand to go outside as everything is so fricking bright! I feel like some sort of vampire and am waiting for the sunlight to dissolve me. Thank gawd for sunglasses.

     Nights are the worse …. Last night at the 72 hour mark I just wanted to blow my knee caps off to stop the aches and restless legs. I took 2 benadryl (they do help the sniffles, watery eyes and sneezing at bit) a muscle relaxer (robaxin) and more ibuprophen and tylenol. Still it was pure misery trying to sleep with the restless legs. I got up twice to take hot baths and soak my legs. That did seem to help alot for at least some period of time, enough that I got some sleep. I spent a lot of short burst in the middle of the night playing on;ine games to get my mind off the symptoms.

     Today I feel like I can say Woo Hoo … I am over the worse and can do this! I have an early morning appointment tomorrow (Monday) morning and I have no doubt that I will be able to make it. I may not be my 100 but, I know I can get there.

     I’m hoping anyone out there reading this can see there is hope and if you’re a “just go for it” kinda person like I am, that it can be done cold turkey.

269. Larry C. Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 12:49 pm

     I can remember feeling the same way, like a vampire coming out into the sunlight. oh but what the treat it is to start living again.

270. Eli Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 3:55 pm

     Im on day four, last night was bad only a few hours of sleep. Feeling nauseated almost all day and cannot eat…Cannot wait till this bullshit ends hopefully tomoro? only god know

271. LostMom Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 6:48 pm

     Thanks so much Julie…I appreciate you listening and sharing with me, everyone else as well..I am so glad I came across this board. I am only on day 1 and of course I didn’t make it because I am a piece of garbage! I have 2 children who need me to get thru this and I am failing before I even started. I have only taken 1 pill all day so I guess that’s a thousand times better than I normally do but none the less, I still took that 1 pill. I woke up this morning saying that’s it, NO MORE. I took 1 pill and broke it in half at noon and then took the other half of it about 7..mentally I am a wreck. I have no one to talk to about this and the longer i sit in the house like this the harder it is and I feel like I”m going insane. I want to break this…I want to be clear …….if I didn’t have these 2 beautiful children I think I’d run and just keep running until I just collapsed..I just don’t know what to do ……..

272. LostMom Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 6:49 pm

     I also wanted to say congratulations Julie to being clean 8 days so far…you are doing AMAZING!!!!!!!!! Everyone is here for you and I hope you can continue to feed off of all of this support because you’re a wonderful woman and your family is lucky to have you…

273. Larry C. Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 8:06 pm

     You’re going through some intense changes and your brain will become depressed and talk crap to you. don’t listen to it. just put on your ipod or stereo and listen to some emotionally moving music. it will push you to be strong and get through this. Imagine while you listen to this music, your life as a movie, one of those feel good movie where the person picks themselves up and out of the dregs of hell. Then write a book. make millions and live happily ever after. Or at least clean.

274. Alive&Kicking Said,

     June 26, 2011 @ 9:09 pm

     Lost Mom,

     I cut my doses down to 1 at bedtime for a week before I totally stopped and now that I have 96 hours (4 full days! woo hoo) I can tell you that I was having withdrawal at that dose of one a day. I was taking one pill at night just so that I could go to sleep because my legs and back would ache and keep me awake if I didn’t take one. But, there were definitely withdrawal symptoms doing that …. sweats, chills, aches, nausea. But, I didn’t think that much of it since I did a monsterous 6 months of chemo I was used to feeling pretty damn bad all the time.

     Tonight I took a muscle relaxer (so glad I didn’t throw those out last year when the doc prescribed them) 2 benadryl, 2 prescription strength Ibuprophen and 2 extra strength Tylenol and then a hot bath. I expect to be able to get a little sleep tonight. But, I can tell you that everything looks a whole lot brighter …. literally. Everything I look at seems brighter and more real … even dumb stuff on the TV or out the window. I’m already seeing the world as a brighter place.

     Don’t be so hard on yourself about taking the pill, just start again. And if you need to start again. The law of logic says that the more you try the more likely you are to succeed. Good luck to you. I hope for a brighter world for you too.

275. julie Said,

     June 27, 2011 @ 6:58 am

     You are not a piece of garbage. You are a strong, loving and caring mother for realizing what those pills are doing to you. If $$$ weren’t an issue, and if I didn’t have my husband chirping in my ear I don’t know when/if I ever would have stopped. Just keep coming back here and talking. U are taking less meds than u normally do and thats a start. Some people taper off for months b4 quitting. You said you wanted to go cold turkey but maybe a short taper would work. I know that every time I quit cold turkey I went back very quickly. But when I tried 2 taper this time I am finally having results. I woke up this morning 2 a msg from my doc that my script was ready 2 be picked up and then I came straight 2 this site. Seeing the congratulations from YOU made me call my doc and tell him thanks, but no thanks. So, Mom (I’m not calling u Lost anymore YOU have kept me clean for 2 days now. THANK YOU!!!! The power that you are going to feel after you beat this is the 2nd most amazing feeling in the world. The 1st is looking into ur child’s eyes and truly “seeing” them again. I know you can do this. You are obviously dedicated. Just the fact that you keep coming back here says a lot about you. I know you can do it. ((((((((Hugs)))))))

276. julie Said,

     June 27, 2011 @ 7:04 am

     Eli……..tomorrow will be better and the next day will be even better!! Congrats on 4 days! I ate a ton of bananas my 2nd thru 6th days and I really think they helped the restless legs. They were the only thing I didn’t throw up which is weird cuz I usually HATE bananas! Lol. I seriously used 2 gag every tim I tried 2 swallow them. But I really think they helped my legs and my energy. Keep it up Eli. Each day is one for the books that u never have 2 relive again.

277. julie Said,

     June 27, 2011 @ 7:09 am

     Alive…….congratulations dude!! You are doing an amazing job and have been an inspiration 2 me these last few days. Thank u so much for sharing your story with us. I’m still having a little trouble sleeping but its now only when I 1st try 2 go 2 sleep. Have a hard time closing my eyes and falling asleep. I’ve been taking a few benedryl and when I finally fall asleep I’m out for a few hours which is awesome! Keep it up, man! U have an awesome will and u have people here who are rooting for you! You should be very proud of yourself. I’m proud of you.

278. julie Said,

     June 27, 2011 @ 7:20 am

     Oh and 1 more thing for everyone……I am sneezing like CRAZY!!! And every time I sneeze my dog sneezes. No joke.

279. julie Said,

     June 27, 2011 @ 7:26 am

     Mom…..one more thing. As hard as it is to do, try taking a walk with your kids. It will wear you out and you will feel good about doing something with your children. I know its hard but even if its only 10 minutes I promise you will feel better after its over. Mentally and physically.

280. Larry C. Said,

     June 27, 2011 @ 10:25 am

     And this…is why I do this site…

281. julie Said,

     June 27, 2011 @ 10:48 am

     Larry…words cannot express how grateful I am that you have done this site. From the bottom of my heart…..thank you. And thank you to EVERYONE who has ever posted even 1 comment. Each one has helped me in many ways. I hope to one day be able to help others the way this site has helped me.

282. wayne Said,

     June 27, 2011 @ 3:38 pm

     Hi everybody. I started reading these post’s for the first time this past wednesday the 22nd. I just want to say thank you, everyone who has shared. I am now on day 5 and starting to feel better. Still not sleeping well and rls is a bitch. Spinal stenosis, degenerative disc disease, had c-3 and c-4 fused. So the pain is still there but I’m not waking up [when I do sleep] to run for the norco. I’m so tired, but even more tired of being addicted to the little yellow pills. 5 10s a day sometimes more. Seems like the more I took, the pain would even be worse. This is the second time I’ve quit cold turkey, the first was in 2005, but this time the WDs have been much worse. My doc told me I would always need some type of narcotic for the rest of my life. I hope to prove her wrong this time. Ibuprophen, naproxen, benadral, and xanax to help take the edge off and sleep some. Hopefully by tomorrow I will be able to eat without getting upset stomach. Day by day right?

283. Alive&Kicking Said,

     June 27, 2011 @ 4:16 pm

     OK, so it’s the end of my work day here. I made it up and out and I sure can tell you my limbs felt like they weighed tons. So much lethargy. But, not as bad as when doing chemo … so that was managable. I’m still nauseous, sneezing, sweating and aching but, not nearly as bad as the past 2 days. I think day 3 and 4 were the worse for me. I wish that Ibuprophen or Tylenol would take the aches away but, I don’t think it does much besides upset my stomach.

     This is day 5, I will start day 6 at 9pm tonight. Last night was a bit better than the night before so I can tell that I might get a few hours of sleep tonight. when I first got home I tried to lay down for a minute and I’m still aching and uncomfortable so I’ll resort to the benadryl again tonight because I have a full day tomorrow and need some rest.

     Thanks for your words of encouragement Julie, they are very much appreciated.

     Hey Eli, keep going at it. We are on about the same schedule. Doing this together!

     Hoping you are doing well LostMom. I’m pulling for you.

     Good luck to everyone out there. Don’t ever let a doctor send to a pain management specialist!

284. Alive&Kicking Said,

     June 27, 2011 @ 8:25 pm

     Wayne,
     Congratulations on your 5 days! Way to go. Keep it up. I am just finishing up my 5th day and it was so much better than the last 2. The doctors told me after my surgeries that I’d be on pain meds the rest of my life too. Screw them. Let’s prove them wrong. There’s a light at the end of the tunnel.

285. wayne Said,

     June 28, 2011 @ 8:33 am

     Day 6! I slept better last night, still had rls a bit. Ate the first heavy meal I could in a week. I think that helped too. Right now the depression is not good, think I’ve been that way for a while but really starting to feel it more. I have bad anxiety, have had for most of my life but this week has been bad. I think my relationship with my girl is over, not due to the drugs but because I can’t work. I just applied for disability 2 weeks ago and I know that will be a long road. Been working in the yard and the pain today is bad, my own fault though waited too long to cut the grass. I have a lot more energy today, just too damn painful to move. Didn’t get this way overnight though, did we? I know it will take time, I’m just scared…

286. wayne Said,

     June 28, 2011 @ 8:44 am

     Let me correct myself, not that I can’t work, just got let go of a job that I used to do 12 years ago. Got rehired this past march, but in so much pain I could not meet production and was let go. So I guess I’m going to have to find a job that doesn’t require a lot of walking or lifting. I gotta do something soon. Everyone have a beautiful day and stay positive. I come to this site 4 or 5 times a day for encouragement. Thanks.

287. julie Said,

     June 28, 2011 @ 12:00 pm

     Wayne….so proud and happy for you! Keep itup…one day, one hour, even 1 minute at a time I’ve heard that cliche a million times and always roled my eesbut it is so true! I’m on day 10 and I feel like a new peson. Truthfully I am in so much pain in my back but I don’t even cre. It is easier to handle tan the emotionl pain I have ben through being adicted to pills. Keep it up!! Its downhill from here!

     Alive…..you’re welcome. Wish I could give u a high five and a hug!

     Mom…..you are in my thoughts and prayers.

     Eli…..hope u are doing we’ll. I’m pulling for you.

     ((((((((((HUGS)))))))))) to all

288. Alive&Kicking Said,

     June 28, 2011 @ 5:07 pm

     Julie, you give me some hope. I caught myself thinking today that I don’t know how much longer I can go through these aches and pains that aren’t touched with OTC drugs. But, when you said that you felt like a new persosn at 10 days … then I think … I can do that. I’m most of the way through day 6 right now so what’s 4 days … right? Thanks for your encouraging posts.

     Other than Ibuprophen I haven’t taken anything today and boy the sneezing and sniffles really show up without benadryl. I’m hanging in here and looking forward to the better days.

     Keep up the good work Wayne!

     Hope Eli and Mom and doing well.

289. Larry C. Said,

     June 28, 2011 @ 9:09 pm

     Right now your aches and pains are caused from the withdrawals. OTC stuff will not help like an opiate would. and opiate will just get you back to square 1. Just stay strong. the pain will subside the longer you detox.
     Larry

290. Alive&Kicking Said,

     June 29, 2011 @ 7:07 pm

     Update: Nearly the end of day 7 and will be starting day 8 at 9pm tonight. Yikes, this morning I thought what the hell???? I felt like I was back at day 2 again this morning. Cramps, diarrhea, nausea, sneezing, sniffles and aches and pains galore! But, luckily it only lasted a couple of hours and then I felt like where I thought I was supposed to be progressing to by day 7. It does seemed that things sort of come in waves and everything is much more tolerable if I stay busy.

     Last night was the first night that I didn’t have to get up and take a hot bath in order to get some sleep. I probably got about 4 1/2 hours, which is about all I sleep anyway, so I’m not doing too bad. It takes a little while to fall asleep and I do wake up a few times … seems like after about 20 minutes for the first couple of hours and then I finally fall into my last couple of hours.

     Still lethargic as hell but feel like electricity is running through my body. It’s like my body’s alive but to tired to move. So, I definitely can tell I’m still withdrawing but, it’s so much better than my day 2, 3, and 4 were for sure.

     Everyone out there … hang in there. I hope we are all doing ok today and get one more day to our credit.

     Larry, thanks for the encouragement. I can’t wait until these aches and pains stop. Do some people really get relief from OTC pain relievers?? Will I ever be one of those people?

291. Larry C. Said,

     June 29, 2011 @ 7:47 pm

     Awesome on staying the course. As far as OTC, well I got pain relief from the Healthy back institute over there–> on the sidebar.
     But I still get some low back pain occasionally, and when I do I use either capsacin, which is basically the ingredient in cayenne pepper. it tells the nerves to stop firing and the pain goes away in minutes. burns a little but man does it really work! the other thing I used is aspircream, that stuff works well too, and I use it when I am going to be working out or in the hot sun, as sweating can make capsacin burn a bit more.
     Check them out.

292. Bdown Said,

     June 30, 2011 @ 1:14 am

     Hey, im 25, been on killers of every type for about 10 years..I could easily take 10-15 Perk 10′s, a few OC 80′s, & Tabs everyday if I could. I have severe scoliosis, and horrible migraines, not just doing them for fun. I have tried to stop many times, just to be so damn sick and never making it a full 2 weeks. I even got on Suboxone for over a year, I thought it was a miracle drug at first, had no cravings could function normally. The sub doc. didnt seem to want me to move my doses down, so I got worried and left the program. I thought I was cured of my sickness, till 3 days after my last dose, and the half life left, then I felt like death…I felt worse than the original WDS, so I relapsed..That was around 7 months ago. I am now going on day 3 W/O opiates. I have read alot on this page and noticed people talking about using Tramadol to wean yourself down..bad idea, Tramadol is a little devil in its own, and acts different that reg Opiates, so you will end up with more problems in the long run. sorry im all over the place, just running on zero sleep, and tons of anxiety..

293. Larry C. Said,

     June 30, 2011 @ 9:02 am

     Yeah, just stopping suboxone is not a good idea, hahahaha…
     it’s worse than a full opiate to WD from…good luck and keep us posted….

294. Bdown Said,

     June 30, 2011 @ 3:37 pm

     When I stopped the Subs, I was on a tiny piece hear and there…I was moving myself down for months…I just shouldnt have been on them near that long, I didnt know that at the time, I have had the sneezes ever sence I got of them months ago, never had sneezes before the Subs..the half life is a bitch, haha..the Naloxone will also block the Dopeamine receptors in your brain for a really long time also..

295. Alive&Kicking Said,

     June 30, 2011 @ 7:22 pm

     OK … just about done with day 8 and WTF. I’m feeling like I should be further along. I’m still dealing with the sweats, chills, sneezing (like crazy) aches and pains, cramps and diarrhea. I just thought they’d be better by now. Not to worry, I’m not going to take any opiates. But, hell I can’t wait for this stuff to be done.

     I’m moving from Vegas back to Cali on July 23rd and I really have so much to do and am hoping that this stuff is under control before then. I don’t have the energy to get physical things done. It really sux. But, I’m hanging in here and hope everyone else on this road is doing well.

     Hey Bdown … congratulations on day 3! Hang in there. You can do. I remember day 3 and I can tell you that it definitely gets better (so don’t pay too much attention to my complaining … I don’t complain to anyone else since no one else knows what I’m doing). I’m pulling for you and keep in touch so we can help you through it.

296. Larry C. Said,

     June 30, 2011 @ 8:16 pm

     I can’t remember but did you do any suboxone?

297. Alive&Kicking Said,

     June 30, 2011 @ 9:54 pm

     Nope … no suboxone. Thank gawd from what I hear.

298. Larry C. Said,

     June 30, 2011 @ 10:06 pm

     depending on how long you were abusing the meds could determine how long it will be for your recovery. but usually with a regular opiate is about 5 days give or take…

299. Alive&Kicking Said,

     July 1, 2011 @ 6:54 am

     I took less than my prescribed dose everyday for the last approx 4 years. But, I was thinking before I finally fell asleep last night that maybe I’m having a tough time due to the neurological problems and left over side effects of my last rounds of chemo. My chemo had to be stopped because of the neurological problems it was causing and severe allergic reactions. Just maybe that is to explain for why this withdrawal seems to be coming and going and lasting so long. Hmmmmm. It does seem that some of my problems with neuropathy in my feet, legs, hands, arms and throat are worse than they were while I was on the oxy. But, it’s something that I’m willing to put up with to be off the damn drug.

300. Alive&Kicking Said,

     July 2, 2011 @ 6:55 am

     Hey! Day 10 and while I’m still doing some damn sneezing all the time and sniffles, yawning and general lethargy I have some good news. I was able to get some sleep last night with absolutely no help from benadryl. Woo Hoo. I stopped the muscle relaxers a couple of days ago and then last night was the first night with nothing to help me sleep. It took a while to get there and I woke a couple of times … but, not for too long and managed to get sleep. Things are definitely looking up.

     Hope everyone is doing well. Happy July 4th to all, Thanks for being here!

301. steve Said,

     July 5, 2011 @ 9:47 pm

     I’ve been trough opiods alot the last couple of years, first hydrocodone, then others such as oxycodone, but other than 2 or 3 scribts it was strictly for the opiod high. I’ve done heroin a couple times but quickly kicked it due to the very rapid addiction that i got after doing it( i snorted it never injected) i dont know how people can inject that shit and kick it, next to impossible. but anyways i’ve been clean for about 3 months but the other day was offered a scribt of free 750 vicoden and didnt think it would make me relaspe but i sure did, been 4 days got through the withdrawls now just waiting to say screw these pills, opiods are not worth the high, the addiction is to strong. now i just want the headaches to go away. A tip of advice, watching alot of porn and masturbating helps the withdrawl if you got the energy peace

302. Larry C. Said,

     July 6, 2011 @ 7:32 am

     Good luck with that.
     Larry

303. Alive&Kicking Said,

     July 6, 2011 @ 10:04 am

     Steve,

     Congrats on having your days without the opiates. Be careful about trading one addiction for another. Good luck to you!

304. Sharon Said,

     July 6, 2011 @ 10:24 am

     You are being very generalistic, and assuming even more. You assume that every one takes opiates to “feel better”, or that they actually make a person “feel good”, or even that they will become depressed without them. Lol Let me tell you this. I have “never” been happy about taking opiates.

     I was sent to what is called the Pain Clinic here in the UK, because the doctors could not be bothered to find out what was causing my pain. I knew it was my gall bladder, but without enough supporting evidence, the doctors refused to remove my gall bladder. Instead, they decided to prescribe Fentanyl patches for me. They told me they were safe & “non-addictive”. Of course, since I had never heard of Fentanyl before, I assumed the clinic was being honest with me. It actually took a very short time for me to become addicted.

     I used the patches for a few years, before I had had enough. I had reduced my patch to the lowest dosage. Then had my doctor switch me to Morphine, in an attempt to rid my life of the addiction.

     Now, for those who do not know, Fentanyl is a synthetic opiate, and Morphine is a natural opiate. And withdrawals from a synthetic opiate are far worse. Trust me, I know.

     Anyway, when I first started on Morphine, I was prescribed a medicine called Oramorph. Basically, liquid morphine in a tube. These were easy to use, and I could put measure marks on the tubes to control/ reduce my dosage. I took these for a couple of years, and I was making great strides in reducing my morphine intake.

     Then one day the pharmaceutical company decided that it was not in their best interest to continue the drug in tube form, and replace it with huge glass bottle. I know, it was ridiculous.

     I started the whole measuring thing, and half of it usually ended up down the sink. So, I just started taking swigs from the bottle, & there went my great strides. Please understand that I was not taking swigs because I like the stuff. It was nasty. I just didn’t have the patience to measure it out in a little measuring spoon/ cup.

     This went on for about another year or so, and I finally told my doctor that this was not conducive with my goals. So, I asked him if there was an equivalent pill form of the morphine that I could take instead. So, he prescribed Morphine Sulphate tablets [Sevredol]. The first thing I had to so was figure out the dosages so they would be equivalent to me swigs of liquid morphine. I think it was something like 3 [20mg] tablets ever 4 hours, or something like that. That lasted about a week, and then I started taking less. Over a period of only 6 months, I had reduced my morphine sulphate intake to 1 [10mg] tablet every 6 hours.

     In the Spring of 2010, my doctor did a disappearing act on me, which left me without a doctor. All the clinic would tell me, was that he left indefinitely. I want to point out that this doctor was the doctor that had sent me to the Pain Clinic in the first place. That was a different doctor, whom had retired previously. Well, what was I to do now? According to my pharmacist, I had made exceptional stride in removing the addiction from my life. I was ready for the next step down in dosage, and no doctor. I search for a new doctor, but instead found only idiots. I was on my own. I knew that it was up to me to rid my life of something that had brought such unhappiness to my life.

     After realizing that it would take too long to find a decent doctor to help me, I took it upon myself to start breaking the tablets in half. I finally ended up with a half a [10mg] tablet every 6 hours. Of course, this was not recommended, because the tablets were suppose to be time-released, or something. Lol That did not stop me. There were times when the withdrawals at night were so bad that I had to take a whole tablet to get them to subside enough for me to get to sleep. But hey, I figured at this point, I was still doing great compared to what I had been taking over the years.

     Now, you have to understand, that my life has never revolved around my addiction, so my times and dates my not be as clear as I would like. Memory not being what it used to be anymore. Nonetheless, my addiction to opiate span a period of 9 years. There is one thing I want to make perfectly clear though. Neither the Fentanyl, nor the morphine, “ever” made me feel “good”. Nor did either help the pain they were given for in the first place. In fact, I got more relief from a couple of ibuprofen’s.

     I think it comes down to hereditary factors of biochemistry. All my life, my body has fought off medications, and I have always needed twice as much, and sometimes three times as much medication as the average person. It was like that with everything from pain med to cold medicine, or even simple aspirin. Which is probably why the morphine never did help my pain. It was enough to addict me, but not enough to control any sort of pain in my body.

     As for depression, and sleep problems, I have dealt with both for most of my lifetime. So, when I was told I may experience these when withdrawing from the morphine, I laughed my ass off. Larry C., you may as well get used to the idea that although you can generalize on somethings concerning opiate addiction and withdrawals. You cannot generalize on everything. Each person is an individual, and should be treated as such. I have always been an exceptionally strong person, and for a person like me to go to a “group” therapy would be a total waste of time. For me, and for the rest of the group. I have always been a believer that change that are made in one’s life, come from within. No one can help me, except me, and no group has my strength, determination, or will.

     Please don’t get me wrong, there are people who “do” benefit from group therapy. And I have always thought of therapy as a useful tool that has a place in our society …just not for me. I have tried therapies in my past for other things, and I never benefited from it. Not that the therapist weren’t great people, but I have to help myself. I is my nature and who I am. It is “not” because the people in the group are addicts, or because I don’t think of myself as an addict. I “know” I am an addict, and that is depressing for a person like me, whom has always been in control of my own life. In fact, I even hog-tied my late husband & took him to AA meetings, because I had hoped he could benefit from it. Of course they didn’t, and he was dead at the age of 21. Nonetheless, therapies does have it’s usefulness for those who can benefit from it.

     It is more than that though. I have never been good with crowds of people. Especially, people I don’t know. When i was in my twenties I used to have anxiety attacks when I was put in positions with crowds of people I didn’t know. Of course, being who I was, even then, I could not let that control my life either. So, I learned to control it on my own. Oh, I still feel uncomfortable around strange crowds, but it does not keep me from doing what I want, or living my life as I choose.

     When I was a young adult, I used to watch people become addicted to street drugs, I even tried a few back then, but I did not like the way they made me feel. I have to be in complete control. All my life I have prided myself on the fact that I had never abused drugs like so many of my friends and aqwuaintences did. Until I came to the England. I have a daughter who has been a drug addict [cocaine, heroine, marajana, pain-killers, etc] for many years prior to my addiction to opiates, and I never understood why she could not just “quit”. So, perhaps this was meant to be. Because it “has” given insight into what my daughter has dealt with for many years. I never even understood what it was like to withdraw from a drug.

     Well, the good news is. I am tired of waiting for doctors, and I am taking my life back. I took my last morphine tablet this past Friday [ 01 July 2011 ]. Which was 5 days ago. And I am dealing with it okay. I am not saying that this is easy. The first few nights, I hurt so bad that I was tempted to take the morphine to ease the withdrawal, as I have done for the past 9 years. But the truth is, you have to “not” want something in your life, to be able to free yourself from it forever. It was like when I quite smoking when I was 38. I had always said I would quit before I was forty. I did not want to end up some old gal puffing away on a pack as day habit. lol I have never looked back, and I guarantee you, that I will never look back from this either.

     Although I am still experiencing withdrawals, and I am relistic to enough to know that my journey may be a long road, I will stay free for any sort of addiction for the remainder of my lifetime. By the way, I am 59 years old this year. And, as I did when I was 40, I intend to start a knew chapter to my life. One, in which, I, my children, my grnadchildren, and my great grandchildren will be proud of. I am now living across the Atlantic, but it is not my home, and not where I want to be. I will be going home soon to my family, and my life will be free when I do.

     If you have read my story [and trust me, this is only the tip of the iceburg], then I hope it will bless you life in some small way. Remember, that only “we” have the power to change our destiny. But it does help to have friends and family that love you and support you when you need it the most. Although, I am strong, and can stand alone if I have to [goodness knows, I have been a loner all my life], but in the later years of my life, I have begun to feel the importance of Family. It is time for me to stop wandering the earth alone, and go home.

     Now, please let me make this clear. Quiting an opiate addiction “cold turkey” is not for everyone, and it can be dangerous. Especially, for people with less will power, or a weaker constitution than I have. Trust me, I know from a lifetime of meeting people from all walks of life, that I am most definitely one of a kind. Many people do not understand the complexities of my nature, and often mistake them for something they are not. So, please, for your own sake, do not follow in my footsteps. Go see your doctor, if you have one, and get some help.

     I know I have much to deal with in the months ahead. Yet, I will face them with the same strength of courage and heart that I have had for all my life. Peace, Light, and Blessing to all. )

305. Sharon Said,

     July 6, 2011 @ 10:30 am

     PS. My youngest daughter sent me this link, because I aks her to search on U.S. sites for the biochemical breakdown of what happens to our bodies when we experience opiate withdrawal. My family has been a blessing to me all my life. I just never realized it until lived far away in a strange land.

     Not everyone has the love of Family and Friends, so if I can help, in some small way, then please feel free to write to me. With my heart, I wish all of you a brighter future.

306. Larry C. Said,

     July 6, 2011 @ 12:35 pm

     The consensus is that the generalities you say I make are generally true. You may be one person in a sea of many, but you will go through the same things we all did, pain, RLS, withdrawal symptoms of all kinds. and if you get tired of standing on your own, you can go check out a meeting of NA, It’s a group and it can be therapeutic but it’s not group therapy. It’s similar to AA but focuses on addiction. You might find some extended family there, with people who have gone through and who are just as strong as you.
     and with all due respect re-read what you wrote and tell me if you are too strong and independent to be teachable and listen to others.
     Once you get rid of the differences and look for the similarities, you may see you are just like everyone else. You have and are addicted, you are trying to get off, and you probably never thought you would be addicted.
     Yes some people do take them to feel good, some do get depressed without them and yes they do make you feel good. but alas, you are one in a sea of many.

     But I and the other welcome you with open arms to come and share your experience, strength and hope.
     Let us know how you are doing day to day ok?
     thanks for the great comment.
     Larry C.

307. Larry C. Said,

     July 6, 2011 @ 12:36 pm

     Good for her!!!
     we wish you all the best as well…
     thank you!

308. steve Said,

     July 6, 2011 @ 11:52 pm

     ya,lol. sorry i didnt mean for my comment to be immature or put anyone elses struggle down. I started taking them when I broke my collarbone and got prescribed hydrocodone and codeine and its just been lingering ever since but i havent taking any in 5 days so things are looking up, and ya i dont know what your doctor was thinking by giving you Fentanyl and not inform you of their addictive properties, Its one of the stronger opiods I know of. peace

309. Gabby Said,

     July 8, 2011 @ 9:08 am

     Needing encouragement, please. I, too, am a mum to two small kids. I feel ashamed reading some of your posts. I have no true need for opiates. I have Crohns, but I have non-opiod meds for that.
     I’ve WD from sub before, and it was horrible. Of course, after months of being clean, I got tired of always being lethargic and feeling apathetic and depressed, so went back to op’s. Long story short, I jumped and bypassed the use of sub. I’m on day 4. I was able to go to work on day 1 and 2, but I’ve called in sick the past 2 days. I can deal with the sweats and chills, and I wouldn’t know what a day without stomach pain would feel like anyway, but my leg pain is truly terrible. Both calves are locked up tight, just knots. I can say that today has been slightly less painful than yesterday, but RLS kicked in last night so I’ve had 3 nights in a row of very little to no sleep. I am so emotionally drained. I’ve told the kids that I’m sick with the flu, but they need me to tend to them and all I want to do is lay about and cry. Husband kicked, too, so we’re in the same boat. Is the lethargy and general malaise lasting 6+ months after a sub jump normal? I’m hoping that by skipping sub this time, I’ll have a different outcome. The logical side of my brain tells me that this line of thinking is just the addicted side of my brain playing tricks on me, but I can’t think of anything more dreadful than just existing and going through the motions for the rest of my days. Please tell me it will be different this time.

310. Larry C. Said,

     July 8, 2011 @ 9:18 am

     Hi Gabby, If you didn’t do Subs this time it should be shorter. When I did subs and got off, it took about 30 days for the physical withdrawals to be done. After that it was a few weeks of just getting my energy back. If you only did regular opiates you should be done shortly. another few days.
     Get some Magnesium and some Potassium for the RLS, and the pain in the muscles, and a good multivitamin, multi mineral. drink tons of water. Also get some melissa too, it will help with EVERYTHING. Let us know how you are doing
     Larry

311. Alive&Kicking Said,

     July 9, 2011 @ 4:16 pm

     Hang in there Gabby. Congratulations on your days without.

     I took extra calcium, magnesium and potassium for the leg cramps, pains and RLS. I don’t know about your IBS but, if bananas aren’t a problem then use them for the potassium. They are good for that and they help to slow down any diarrhea that you might get as a result of the withdrawals. There were a few nights that I had to get up and take hot bathes in order to get through the RLS and leg cramps and pains and get a little rest. For me everything was worse at night and was better during the day when I kept busy and kept my mind off of it.

     Good luck to you!

     Update for me … 17 days for me and unfortunately, other health problems have kicked up. Mainly, my gallsbladder is really painful and acting up terriblly. Part of it has to do with my previous cancer surgeries also. I nearly had to go to the ER a couple of times this week but, made it through at home (without any opiates!) because I know that they automatically start an IV and shoot me full of demerol within 5 minutes in the ER. I’ve been told everytime I show up at the ER: “You’re a cancer patient, we want you to be comfortable. You have a standing order from your oncologist.” So, glad that I’ve made it through and doing OK today. It’s tough to tell how much of how crappy I’m feeling is withdrawal and how much is the other stuff. But, I’m still Alive & Kicking!

312. Gabby Said,

     July 9, 2011 @ 5:19 pm

     Day 5. Morning was rough, afternoon wasn’t so bad, but it’s back to rough this evening. I’m making myself leave the house for a walk but my arms and legs feel like they weigh a thousand pounds. Hanging in there, though!!

313. Alive&Kicking Said,

     July 9, 2011 @ 7:49 pm

     Gabby, one other thing. About having the lethargy and depression for months … I can’t speak to the withdrawal time for you but, I have heard it said by many professionals that addicts tend to self medicate and that they sometimes have underlying distrubances that need to be addressed in order for them stay off drugs. Perhaps you might have some underlying depression? You said that you have small children. There appears to be a connection with drug usage flair ups when there might be untreated postpartum depression in women. … Of course, I don’t have a clue if that is the case with you, I am not qualified to make that assessment, I just thought I might throw it out there for your consideration.

     I hope you do just great this time!

314. Gabby Said,

     July 10, 2011 @ 5:28 am

     Thanks, Larry & Alive. Alive, you mentioned depression & self medicating. If I’m honest with myself, that’s a very real possibility. I’m inspired by your strength! It’s early in the morning of day 6 for me, and I’m pleased to say that I actually slept some last night. I feel very stiff but more mentally alert than I have in days, so I feel slightly optimistic. My brain would like to get up and get moving, but my body isn’t as willing. I’m taking a multivitamin and drinking lots of water. I’m sorry to hear about your ER visits, but I am so proud of you for refusing opiates! I hope you find relief soon. I’ll keep checking in & I love to see all of your progress.

315. Gabby Said,

     July 10, 2011 @ 5:32 am

     Sorry, I misread your post- I see now that you made it though the pain without going to the ER. I’m humbled by those of you truly suffering through physical ailments. 17 days is amazing, though!!

316. Jack Said,

     July 13, 2011 @ 9:43 pm

     I got on opiates about ten years ago. I have a rather nasty disease called “Ankylosing Spondylitis” or rheumatoid arthritis of the spine. Over time, it pushes the spine over such that I can never look up to see the sky. The treatment for twenty five years of my life was NSAIDS (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs). NS AIDS never worked so, after the Viox scandal, I decided to try something different to control the pain. I started seeing a pain management doctor.

     For the last five years I’ve been taking 40mg of methadone every day. Prior to taking methadone, I had been on various other opiates.

     I decided to get off opiates because I despise communism and will not see another doctor again when Obama’s communist takeover the health care industry takes effect.

     Anyway, it’s been two weeks since I had any opiates. I still can’t sleep and restless legs have me up walking the floor most of the night. I’m beginning to wonder if I will ever sleep again or be free from the empty gnawing feeling in the pit of my stomach.

317. Larry C. Said,

     July 14, 2011 @ 9:24 am

     Jack it will get better. Sorry I am running out the door right now but you will see the light at the end of the tunnel and it won’t be a train…
     Larry

318. Jen_Serenity Said,

     July 14, 2011 @ 2:37 pm

     JACK: You have made it two weeks-keep on trucking!! Remember that feelings are NOT facts, and at least speaking for this addict, my “feelings” at four in the morning when I’m watching the clock turn to five as I walk my house with RLS, can get CRAZY. Not to mention the sleep deprivation on top of everything else. I’m on day 11 off of Subutex (2 years,hydro for four years prior to that)and I know what you are going through-IT WILL GET BETTER! And I’m saying that for me too It’s my personal opinion that although sites like this one Larry has created for all of us can be tremendously helpful for support; be careful about reading too many different sites that focus on solely the withdrawal symptoms or the insanity of addiction-without offering a solution. Speaking for myself, I think I picked up some extra symptoms just reading about them during my previous attempts to quit-lol. Not, that the physical symptoms aren’t there-my body has been kicking my ass for a few days now-but it helps tremendously, to think positively. Sounds so simple, but simple can be good. Inspirational books, movies, music really do help. Especially when WE get through the physical pain-and the mental and emotional take over. I had to try doing everything my WAY, by mySELF for six lonely, and LONG years. By the grace of God, I finally surrendered. I have a 12-step clubhouse that is WALKING distance from my house. Pshh, I’m a strong, educated, successful woman- I wasn’t going to be caught dead going in there. “Those People” were below me, I just had a “little” problem that wasn’t MY fault-it was the endometrosis, ovarian cysts, doctors fault… (Not to lessen the true, physical pain anyone is suffering. But for me, somewhere along the way the physical and the emotional pain began to blur-and it didn’t matter because the pills “helped” them both.) SO, this selfish, self-centered addict drove to the other side of town to go to a meeting where no one would know me. I can laugh about it now, but WOW the lengths my addiction took me to not uncover the facade of the “me” I wanted everyone to see. One day at a time, I’ve been attending meetings for the past 11 months a lot closer to home; meeting the most loving, wonderful people-who have loved ME until I could love myself. (still hardly ever going to the clubhouse down the street.) My God sure does have a funny sense of humor, because over the past few days when I couldn’t trust myself driving (shaky,sleep deprived)-I have walked my happy ass up there and it has been my saving grace. Every day this week that I have walked in there, people hug me, remember my name, ask me if I was able to get any sleep the night before and pray for me. People who have lived through this, and made it out on the other side. People who have replaced the isolation and insanity of addiction with coffee, laughter and a deep friendship that can’t be understood until you become a part of it. Sometimes, it takes what it takes to find some humility. PLEASE don’t be too proud. I am not strong enough, or will I ever be-to fight this battle alone. My best thinking sent me into a dark, isolated, vicious cycle of getting pills and trying to quit them. My text messages and phone calls today come from program friends sending me words of support, encouragement and prayers. Quite a bit different than the texts I used to get from my pill suppliers who only seemed to message or call me when it was payday.

     It helps me to know I only have to commit to one day at a time. I heard that saying for SOO long, before I finally got it. I wondered how could I never,ever,never drink or drug? What about my wedding? what about when I was on vacation? The holidays??? I didn’t even have a decent boyfriend at the time, lol. And these past few days, it has been hour to hour, minute to minute-but just 24 hours. It is the world record.

     I pray that each and every one of you no longer feel that you have to keep this private; our secrets keep us sick. Sometimes, the strongest thing we can do is ask for help.

319. Jen_Serenity Said,

     July 14, 2011 @ 2:44 pm

     Jack: I only meant for the words of encouragement at the beginning of my “novel” to be directed at you. The rest were just personal opinions about my struggle and specific situation. I reread it just now, and didn’t think that was clear. Best of luck to you!

320. Larry C. Said,

     July 14, 2011 @ 4:26 pm

     AWESOME Comment! Thanks for adding that? I wish people would get it, and get over themselves sometimes. I know 12 step isn’t for everyone, but most people would surely benefit from it!!!
     Larry

321. Jack Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 7:17 am

     I suppose many people may not understand me as I am a hermit. My earliest memories were of finding a place far far from so-called civilized people. I have no need for the companionship of others, so quiting opiates for me will be alone.

     For those of you who are suffering from post addiction withdrawal, I have found that about 20mg of Valium cuts the never ending gnawing in your gut, RLS, and for the first time in two weeks I have slept all night long.

     Some may say that valium is addictive. But then, I have heard Soma is addictive. I can personally assure you that’s HOGWASH. If you have access to Valium it is a God send.

322. Larry C. Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 8:24 am

     Uhmm both of those drugs are …drugs and they are addictive. Ask someone who was addicted to them before. You’re replacing one drug for another, maybe for some temporary relief, but it is replacing.
     You should try using some potassium and magnesium for both the RLS and the sleepless nights.

323. LM Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 8:34 am

     Hi,

     I just wanted to pop in and say that I read every line of this blog last night and I am on day 13 of no Percocets (was doing 30mg pills anywhere from 3 to 7 times a day for about two years) and day 5 of no suboxone and I did a 5-day small suboxone taper just to ease the withdrawals, tried cold turkey last august and thought I was going to go mental, ended up relapsing, and I cannot tell you how much this site has made me smile and helped me to know that I am not alone and this can happen to anyone, I too am a Mom of two young children ages 8 and 9 and a professional, have my own business, I mentally escaped my problems for two years but I am ready to face them, I just had enough of the chase and felt I hit my rock bottom, sick of the money spent but can’t change the past, I went to the gym this morning for the first time in two years and I ran three miles, I feel absolutely awesome and this is the longest I have gone, I know it isn’t over, the mental part is as brutal as the physical but the gym helps ALOT. Keep going everyone and thanks for posting! p.s., I totally get the crying to music thing, but I truly think they are tears of joy that the monster is slowly leaving my system!

324. Larry C. Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 9:28 am

     Awesome, it’s awesome how exercise makes one feel better isn’t it?
     Keep up the good work…
     Larry

325. Jack Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 10:02 am

     I must say, Larry C. You are speaking of things of which you know nothing about. I am nearly eighty years old, and at various times in my life have taken Valium for several decades. When I quit Valium absolutely nothing happened. When I was a body builder I found that three or four soma taken before I worked out had an extraordinary effect on my ability to workout harder and for several hours longer than without soma. When this disease finally stopped me from lifting weights in my fifties, I never took another soma. That was nearly thirty years ago and I’m still waiting for an adverse reaction to stopping soma or Valium.

     I have learned that drugs can be a tool. But labeling Valium and soma as addictive will no doubt cause many to fail to quit opiates.

     Jack.

326. LM Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 10:33 am

     Hi again,

     IT IS. . believe me my body is definitely not back to normal but I will take the occassional sneeze/sweat/chill over the first 3 days of w/d’s ANYDAY of the week and I know eating healthy and exercise are the BEST things I can do for the mental part to get myself back to me The best part is I know I never have to feel like that again once I am through it and I stay on track.

327. Larry C. Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 11:43 am

     OK Jack… I’ll just quote something from a doctors office ok?
     “All benzodiazepines, even when used as recommended, may produce emotional and/or physical dependence. Valium has the potential to cause severe emotional and physical dependence in some patients and these individuals may find it exceedingly difficult to stop using. It is important that your physician help you discontinue this medication in a careful and safe manner to avoid severe withdrawal. ”

     Are you a Doctor Jack? Are you an addiction specialist? Neither am I, but I do know that they are addictive and glad they helped you suppress the pain of weight lifting, because that’s all they did, which is why you could lift longer and harder. I know everyone is different and I am sure you are too.

     I don’t advocate using other drugs to withdraw or ease the withdrawal from opiates. Except a short use of Suboxone. I do however highly recommend for people to use herbal extracts and vitamin and mineral supplements to help the withdrawal go easier on them.

     Such as the Thomas Recipe Alternative, Larry’s Recipe

     Sorry for the rant but i think you are the one who is wrong.
     Good Luck,
     Larry

328. Jack Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 2:34 pm

     Suboxone is nothing more than an opiate. Those who truly intend to stop, must not take opiates as it only strings the problem out and makes even more money for the bastard doctors who NEVER inform patients of the hell of stopping.

     I wouldn’t hit a hog in the butt with a doctor. As I said before the reason I am getting off methadone is my hatred of communism. Obama’s communist takeover of the health care industry is all the motivation I need to quit.

     As for Valium and Soma being addictive. Perhaps to the weak of mind.

     Oh, and it just occurred to me that I’m a bit older than I thought. I was born August 11, 1927.

329. Gabby Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 4:39 pm

     Checking in. Day 11. I’m out of the woods, I hope, but feeling off. Sort of dreamlike, like I’m just observing life. Having some anxiety and sleeplessness unrelated to physical discomfort. I feel much better physically, with short bursts of energy, but I tire easily. Figure that’s pretty normal. Mentally feeling pretty blah, but it’s a vast improvement over feeling hopeless. Apologies for being all over the place with my writing. Just wanted to pop in and let you know that I’m still standing.

330. Larry C. Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 6:41 pm

     It’s actually considered a partial opiate with a half life that is longer than an regular opiate. Which is why some people have a hard time getting off it if they’ve been using it for long periods of time. It’s meant to be used for short term withdrawal help. It’s also used to keep people from getting high on regular opiates as it blocks the receptor sites in the brain for endorphins which opiates mimic.
     If you took Suboxone while addicted to opiates, but BEFORE going into a moderate withdrawal from the opiates, you would go into precipitated withdrawal which is very unpleasant and extremely uncomfortable. So no, Suboxone is not nothing more than just an opiate. Yes it is a partial opiate but with actions completely different than a regular opiate.

     So you’re getting of methadone because you hate communism, not because you want to. Interesting.

331. Larry C. Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 6:42 pm

     No worries Gabby , all that blah will soon pass, it just takes time. But it will pass and get better.

332. Jack Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 7:07 pm

     Had you lived the history I have you would feel the same way I do about Obama’s communist take over of industries that should have been allowed to go bankrupt and start all over, and then the final straw was the bastard and his communist anti-American Marxist filth.

     I REFUSE to be controlled by a bunch of communist doctors who are rooting for the communist takeover of my beloved land.

     People of my generation have guts. I have read all of the posts here and have concluded that most have none. Whining about your addiction is the mark of a pure coward. Get some guts and never look back. It is better to die than live under the control of doctors who caused you to become addicted so as to have a permanent cash cow.

333. Larry C. Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 7:16 pm

     Ok Jack.

334. Tyler Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 7:39 pm

     “I am beginning to wonder if I will ever sleep again, or be free from the empty knawing feeling” -Jack.
     How are you any better?! Something brought you to this site, and when you found it you posted what you where going through like everyone else. What makes you any different? Oh yeah, you’re to old and stubborn to admit the truth. You’re living in your own little world obviously. We all came here to beat something that has no good outcomes in the long run, you came here to beat something because you don’t like commies!!?? And we’re the ones with problems, lol! Good luck To you Jack.

335. Tyler Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 7:41 pm

     Oh yeah, three months clean and never looking back. But I still get encouragement coming by and checking in on everyone. Hope everyone is staying strong!

336. Gabby Said,

     July 15, 2011 @ 10:21 pm

     Sorry, Jack. We’ll try to be more bootstrappy and stay off your lawn from here on out.

337. Jack Said,

     July 16, 2011 @ 1:17 am

     As I said before. All the nasty symptoms you suffer from will be eliminated by about 20mg of Valium.

     Before I discovered that little fact I was suffering just as you people describe. Now, I feel just as I did before I quit methadone.

     Oh and those who claim to be addicted to Valium are of the weakest of minds. Just as Larry said Valium MAY be addictive in some people – the weak minded and snot nosed among us.

     Jack

338. Jen_Serenity Said,

     July 16, 2011 @ 5:37 am

     “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
     I’ve been told to look for the similarities not the differences and to practice love and tolerance; but damn-it to Jack that is sometimes so hard to do!! I also thought that I was a “Coward” and “had no guts” for many years because of my opiate AND Benzo. addiction-I know;weakling,right!! By the Grace of God, I
     infanatically know today that all that shame was in fact misplaced feelings rooted in my POWERLESSNESS over drugs. I’m not a bad person or a weak person-in fact I think us recovering addicts and alcoholics are some of the STRONGEST people I know. Therein lies just one of the many paradoxes of addiction- you have to admit your powerlessness before you can truly find strength.

     I also can relate to the feelings of isolation and living like a hermit. Turning my phone off, not answering my door, covering my windows, speaking to no one, on my couch in an opiate-induced trance wondering why no one cared enough to call or come by. (yes, another paradox addicts often find themselves in)Thank God, I don’t have to live like that today.

     For me, the problem with not interacting with other people is I have a sick brain. Years of opiate abuse doesn’t have me wired correctly right now; and if I rely on my own thoughts and will power- we are in trouble! I can’t fix my sick brain with MY SICK BRAIN.

     May each and every one of you continue to keep fighting and remember that some are sicker than others. Take what you need and leave the rest. *26 months free of real-deal opiates-and 285 hours off of Subutex*

     Love and Serenity,
     Jen

     “Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves.”

339. LM Said,

     July 16, 2011 @ 6:12 am

     so nice to wake up and not feel sick! Why did I wait so long to do this? keep going everyone. Happy Saturday.

340. Larry C. Said,

     July 16, 2011 @ 8:33 am

     Ok Jack, your done here.

341. Alive&Kicking Said,

     July 17, 2011 @ 8:22 pm

     Hey just checking in real quick. Everyone who is doing this … congratulations and keep up the good work. I will be starting day 26 in just a few minutes!

342. Rosso Said,

     July 18, 2011 @ 10:09 pm

     larry ive been reading all ur posts and it’s been making me want to stop more and more everyday…I’m 24 years old and have been doing rocasets 30 mg 2 times a day for about 6 months…if I ween off and stop now instead of keep using will my withdrawals be less now instead of someone whose been using for years? I plan on taking a vacation from work and stopping but I’m nervous and scared…

     Thanks

343. Larry C. Said,

     July 19, 2011 @ 7:53 am

     Yeah you may have it a bit easier. but the next time, after being addicted to opiates will be a bit worse. The good thing is you’re young, you’ll be fine. you may have it super easy. just do it.
     Let us know how it’s going
     Larry

344. Rosso Said,

     July 19, 2011 @ 10:27 am

     Thanks bud my vacation starts Friday I’ll keep u posted

345. Mark H. Said,

     July 20, 2011 @ 5:40 pm

     Greetings everyone. 1st time vistor to this site & I am very touched by the encouragement that most of you are here to share with each other. I have a long history of 12-step recovery & my longest stint of rock-solid, kung-fu, ninja-black-belt recovery was about 3.5 years. I was very involved but will have to save sharing my ESS for another time. I can’t currently allow myself to talk-the-talk when I’m not walking the walk. You see, I’ve been off the beam for awhile dealing with serious back & neck problems that I’ve allowed to lead me back down a path that I know isn’t conducive to my sobriety. I’ve been back on pain meds along with Rhizotomy & other future surgical procedures. Haven’t had a lot of luck with any of it but it has put me back into an active addiction that I’m not real proud of. Before I move on; I must say “Kudos” to Larry for making this site available to those who want it.

     Anyway, I spent the majority of today reading through all of the posts. One thing I’ve noticed is that many of you have mentioned sleep problems. And I know that finding a sleep aid that is drug free can be problematic. Well, based on the reccomendation of a family member about a month ago, I started using “Melatonin” 10mg caps that I get from CVS. I only take one at night & it really helps. Just thought I’d post this in hopes that it might help you too.

     God bless.

346. Jen_Serenity Said,

     July 22, 2011 @ 3:29 pm

     Welcome Back Jack Our disease is progressive, but so is our recovery!!

     Awww, sleep…what’s that again/jk?? I have 18 DAYS CLEAN from Subutex and the sleep deprivation was not fun; but Im thrilled to share that I have slept the past two nights straight through!! I was unable to find the Melissa Supreme that Larry suggests, but have been taking just the Melissa leaves and Passion Flower extract. I did have to obtain one RX from my outpatient doc for the RLS, but I plan on just using the one script.(Requip) I also found it helped to not even try to get in bed/sleep, just wear yourself out, read, watch funny movies-and the elusive Sandman WILL find you. I fed my body opiates for six years, it’s going to need some time to get back to “normal.” But, I will tell you that my physical withdrawal symptoms from the Subutex lasted approximately 14 days. I know it differs for people/doses, but I just wanted to share a concrete number from my personal experience. I found the detox from Subutex to be MUCH MORE difficult than the hydrocodone wd’s that I went through several times before. The long-half life is great when you are taking it, but pretty much SUCKS when its time to come off. Near the end, but before I hit day 14, I would have isolated periods of time where I felt better, and then- all the symptoms would come back. It really messes with your head when you feel good all day, and then wake up in worse shape then ever. With the short-acting Opiates, every day you make it through wd you can expect to start feeling better. (physically) Sub. is more of a roller-coaster ride! But it goes away, and you will get to where each day is better!!

347. Jen_Serenity Said,

     July 22, 2011 @ 6:51 pm

     woops-I meant Mark!! Now when does my brain start working again

348. Rosso Said,

     July 24, 2011 @ 6:30 am

     Hi guys posted back a little bit…I weened off to one a day had a horrible panic attack and ended up in the ER…decided that was it!!! I am now a little over 60 hours clean and feeling great…only thing I can’t get rid of is the cravings…but the ER prescribed me Ativan and this seems to help alot also with my sleep jitters and cravings…I’m gonna stop taking them after about day 5 but I’m leaving on my first opiate free vacation in a year tonight and wanna make sure I can sleep…even tho it’s hard I suggest working through the discomfort instead of staying in coupes up thinking about it only made it worse for me…me and the gf went for a walk on the beach at the 48 hour mark and after that I feel like a whole new me again…thanks everyone for sharing their stories…god bless and good luck to all of u:)

349. LM Said,

     July 24, 2011 @ 5:43 pm

     21 days for me. I feel great. Sleeping is not perfect but I guess it takes time.

350. Rosso Said,

     July 25, 2011 @ 1:24 pm

     Day 4 and I feel like me again…cravings gone even off the Ativan!!! Thanks u guys I would of never have even attempted to stop if it wasn’t for this site…u guys saved me and I owe all of u big time!!! Thanks for helping me are the light at the end of the tunnel!!!!

351. bruce Said,

     July 30, 2011 @ 7:56 pm

     i guess my little story sounds just like hundreds of others, ive had acess to pain killers for about 8 yrs now, hydrocodone, percs, oxy, iam going on 64 hr without anything, iam eating like a pig, ive been to the gym as much as i can to workout, it helps a little, i have a lot of twitching and other symptons going on, sneezing, runny nose,sleeping problems. i hope in about another 3-4 days these symptons start going away, and i can start feeling a little more normal, a least my body, i know the mental aspect of quitting is going to be rough also,wish me luck..

352. Joe Said,

     July 30, 2011 @ 9:24 pm

     Hey Larry,
     I have a sister in law, who has a 4 month old baby, and both of them where dropped off at my door 4 days ago, because she was kicked out of her druggies friends house. The babies good, clean, and healthy(had the doctor check her out). The sister in law, however, has been an opiate abuser for 3 years. I am her final string in this state(FL), and she has run out of places to live. She has been withdrawing(as far as I know) for about 2 days. Shes going through all the symptoms you mentioned(except she is constantly constipated, from the pain pills i believe). Keep in mind, this is cold turkey. Shes handling it pretty rough, she has no money, and is constantly trying to get a hold of opiates(which i caught her smuggling a bag of valium and percasets through a cigarette box), which I have completely cut off all her resources. If her withdrawals get worse, do I take her to the hospital or do I tell her to just tough it out? She has already lied to me a numerous amount of times since shes been at my house, trying to get opiates. I was also wondering is this normal for a withdrawal person or opiate abuser to be a pathological lyer? I figured though if worse comes to worse, call the cops and put her in jail, thats a withdrawal guarentee right? Its a crappy situation I’m in. Im only 24 and am now trying to provide for two extra mouths, two of which I know nothing about(baby, + opiate abuser), a full time job, and full time student. Afraid to leave home for fear that she is going to sell my stuff for drugs, kill herself, or harm the baby by her withdrawal agitation and outburst of rage. Got any advice?

353. Larry C. Said,

     July 30, 2011 @ 10:08 pm

     Sounds like you’re ready to do it. Good luck Bruce!!!!

354. Larry C. Said,

     July 30, 2011 @ 10:25 pm

     Damn Joe, This is scarey and I’ll tell you why. The constipation is a sure sign that she is still using. If she were withdrawing, she would most likely have the runs, and maybe also puking. The answers are right in front of you in what you wrote. she is constantly sneaking dope in, lying and will steal, given the chance to “Get Better”.IE get more dope. Here’s the deal the 4 month old is your highest priority right now. She is in no shape or mind set to care for a 4 month old. she either should go to a recovery program or call CPS on her and take custody of the child. In all honesty that is what I would do. Get her out of the house, take custody of the child until either she gets clean and has some time under her belt, or you become the new father as she may relinquish responsibility of the child on to you , in order for her to keep getting loaded.

     Opiates are one hell of a mother fucker of a drug. They make your body go where your soul doesn’t want to. Opiate addicts are typically the worst of the addicts in the so called food chain as opiates drive you to near insanity when going through withdrawals. that’s why she is lying, cheating and probably stealing to get more. If she is truly ready to get clean, she will stop and not try to taper or lie to you and say she is tapering. she needs to just get off the shit and step up to the plate and be a mom. Unfortunately, that’s not an easy thing for people to do, sometimes. You have to be mentally ready to get off them. It only takes a good week to be clean and past the physical part, but then there’s the mental and emotional withdrawal that can last months or even years. It’s called PAWS or post acute withdrawal syndrome. It’s written about on here.

     You said sister in law, I assume the father is your brother? what about him? Have you related the story to the doctor that you took the baby too? Maybe you should. Don’t let her try to use the baby as a way of manipulating you. Take the baby and care for it. I’d say kick her to the curb before she uses you all up too. But that is my own personal opinion, I am not a doctor and I am not a counselor, but I have seen the things opiate addiction does to people and did to me. I saw it taking me down the same path and I didn’t want to lose my family or children.

     Re-read your post and look at the answers.

     I just re-read it too, you say cold turkey, I say bullshit. Cold turkey doesn’t mean smuggling in Valium and percocets, cold turkey means NOTHING AT ALL. Again constipation is a sign of still getting loaded, opiates constipate, when you stop you get the worst diarrhea in the world.

     Go here and read the signs and symptoms of using and of withdrawing? if she’s not sneezing, and shitting, she’s not withdrawing. You will know when she is withdrawing, it will make her miserable. And if she is not trully ready she will try to ease the pain of it with more drugs or substitute.

     Please keep us informed as to whats happening. This is truly alarming and I have one mom who is conversing with me over email about her daughter. It’s been months since the girl has been trying to get off the shit and she’s still giving her mom all sorts of excuses, refuses to do any 12 step meetings, stealing from mom and sneaking in more pills every day. It’s a BAD drug to be hooked on, but it doesn’t take long to be done with it.

     I will keep you in my thoughts.
     Sincerely,
     Larry C.

355. Larry C. Said,

     July 30, 2011 @ 10:30 pm

     Also be wary of her getting on methadone. that shit is harder to get off of, and will be a bad idea to get on, in order to get off another opiate. I’d say the say for suboxone. just have her get off the shit somehow. take her to a recovery center, maybe even a county mental health place. or yes you could call the police, but you run the risk of the child getting taken from you and put into foster care. and that you can avoid hopefully. I would say maybe even call a counselor or the county mental health system and ask them what they think you should do.
     Larry

356. steve dufraine Said,

     August 1, 2011 @ 6:58 am

     I was on 120mg oxy a day plus 3000mg of vicodin,then switched to 180mg morphine and 30mg oxy….then switched to 180mg morphine and 3000 mg of vicodin…..I decided to quit cold turkey,for family reasons,,,the pills changed me and it took me 4 years to realize it…The withdrawls were really bad the first 3 days for me….felt like i swallowed a bucket of razors and they were slicing me apart from inside..what helped me was i talked to my pharmacist and she recommened……ultra ad for diareha…also drink lots of gatorade,powerade,smart water,,i also had to force feed my self…Its only been a week and i feel great except pain in my back and neck 2 herniated disc in neck…degenerative disc and arthritis in lower and mid back.

357. Nicole Said,

     August 4, 2011 @ 2:39 pm

     Hey, everyone. I’ve been taking hydrocodone 10mg (about 6-7/day) for about two years after a car accident and recently switched to oxycodone (5mg, 10 mg, 80mg, whatever I can get my hands on). It has been draining my savings because I’m buying them off the street and that shit is not cheap. In any case, I haven’t been able to find any since Sunday, and I’m entertaining the idea of quitting cold turkey. I have access to some clonazepam (klonopin) that has helped me sleep. It’s been three days and the only withdrawal symptoms I’ve noticed are a bit of irritability and (embarrassingly) some slight… diarrhea. :/ I’ve read a lot about how dangerous it is to quit cold turkey. I just found a 15mg percocet under the couch and part of me wants to take it right now but part of me doesn’t at all. My main concerns right now are: the dangers of quitting cold turkey, more horrible withdrawal symptoms to come, and the potentially dangerous interaction between the klonopin I took this morning for my nerves and the percocet I know I’m about to take. I’ve always had problems with addictions, but they’ve never interfered with my work, family, or social lives. I’m terrified to do this alone and I really don’t believe in the 12 step program. Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom to offer? I feel quite alone because no one close to me knows about my opiate addiction and I really want to keep it that way. Thanks <3

358. Larry C. Said,

     August 4, 2011 @ 3:30 pm

     Welcome Nicolle,
     Don’t take it. why? if you’ve been off them since sunday, you’re almost done with the withdrawals, at least the physical part. I’ve heard of no one dying from cold turkey withdrawal from opiates, Alcohol on the other hand I have. You came to this place for support, yes? so why don’t you believe in a 12 step program to help you? like NA? oh maybe you don’t fit in, because their all addicts who use needles or something like that? Or deep down you don’t really want to admit you’re an addict and going to a 12 step meeting you’re admitting your an addict or have in some way failed? Well have you been to a 12 step program like NA before? stayed any length of time? you might find you have more in common with many of the people there than you realize. and you might find the support there that you need that your family can’t give you. They’ve all been through it and can tell you exactly what to expect. They can also be a friend and support you. and when your all done, you can just leave if you want. Might as well try it. or not.
     Afraid to do this alone are you? then don’t, go to an NA meeting, and if you don’t like the first one you go to, go to a different one. go for a month or two and then tell us you really don’t believe it them. Their just people like you, and me, who’ve had issues with addiction, supporting each other through their recovery.
     Just like we’re doing here. Only here you’re hiding behind a monitor and not showing your face.

     Keep us updated as to how you are doing. It get’s better over time and if there were any serious dangers of quitting cold turkey, you’d have already had them. It’s thursday and you’ve been off them for what, 4 days? you should just keep going. unless you’re not ready to stop.

     They say you’re done digging your hole when you put down the shovel…
     Good Luck…
     Larry

359. Jack Said,

     August 5, 2011 @ 2:28 am

     Larry C. First, I will apologize for my roughness. Also, it doesn’t matter if you post this or not. I want you to know what I did to overcome PAWS. It wasn’t easy. But if I can do it at my age, there is there is reason to believe other’s could benefit from my experience.

     When I first tapered off methadone, you probably remember how horrible my manners had become – yes? The quitting was simple even after decades of using the drug to mitigate the pain of rheumatoid arthritis of the spine. Then PAWS hit me like a demon from the bottomless pit.

     I knew my brain was no longer producing endorphin – much like a body builder who no longer produces testosterone from anabolic steroid abuse. But, you can force your brain to start producing endorphin again. I did it, but it requires a determined mind.

     When I was younger, I used to run until I was in a trance. When in that trance I could run all day, and often did. Years later kids started calling that trance “Runner’s High”. An opiate trance produced by the “morphine within” – endorphin.

     I found that without the methadone, I could no longer jog. The pain of rheumatoid arthritis will try to rule. Running was certainly out of the question. So I gritted my teeth and started walking as fast as I could. Doctors decided long ago my hips needed replacing, so the pain was/is a great burden.

     When PAWS set in, my resting heart rate thumped away at 125 to 150 most of the time. Other people may worry their heart might give out, but mine hasn’t and I’ll be 84 August, 11. At first when I would really stretch ‘em out my heart would run up past 250. I don’t fret about things like that though.

     It took many miles a day at a pace as hard and fast as I could walk to force the brain to start producing endorphin again.

     But, now I’m free. My resting heart rate is back down to the 50 beats I’m used to.

     Oh, and I was telling the truth about why I quit. I will never see a doctor again. I was not born in a communist country. I do remember how F.D.R. loved Joseph Stalin’s “well regulated” population and how he wanted that communist prison for the United States. The filthy communist muslim now in the Whitehorse has made it clear he modeled his Presidency on F.D.R.’s. Just look what he has done so far. The dollar is worthless because the filthy muslim communist has spent 5 trillion dollars in three years.

     I advise you to buy food. And seeds that are not hybrid. I remember the great depression. I was born in 1927. We will have another because of the communist scum currently in the white house. F.D.R. caused the great depression to be the GREAT depression. The rest of the world recovered long before the US because of the stupidity of F.D.R. If you’ve got any brains you will buy food and seeds that are NOT hybrid.

     I also remember when a man said exactly what he meant without fear. I still do, and will.

     May the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, bless you and keep you.

     Jack

360. Larry C. Said,

     August 5, 2011 @ 9:01 am

     Welcome back Jack… glad you’re still with us…

361. Nicole Said,

     August 5, 2011 @ 11:28 am

     Thanks, Larry.

     You’re totally right. There’s no reason why I shouldn’t believe in the 12 step program other than I just don’t want to admit that I have to go.

     It doesn’t make any sense that I don’t want to do it alone but won’t seek help in the community. You are absolutely right. Thanks for straightening me out.

     In the last few days I’ve noticed that my mind is more clear, I have motivation to get out of the house and do things, and I’m really not in as much pain as I was telling myself I was.

     This is a great forum and I’ll be keeping you posted

     The bad news is that I took it. Well, I broke it in half and took half. I still have the other half, and I feel like I want to perform some ceremonious disposal of it.

362. Larry C. Said,

     August 5, 2011 @ 2:06 pm

     awesome! my ceremonious disposal of my last bottle of vicodin was pouring it slowly into the toilet, and then flushing them and watching them disappear. It was great. I actually felt relieved after I did that.
     Keep us posted and keep going…
     Larry

363. jenn Said,

     August 9, 2011 @ 12:11 pm

     yep, i was good on nada but ibphrone and tylenol pm an zanax only during an attack like once a week….for 6wks, my back pain is so bad and i cant do anything without it killing me. so i went back to the doc and finally got into a back and spine doc after 9 mnths of not being accepted. i am not happy bout taking them and back to square one as larry said would happen. today im on suboxon yesterday too. just took a tiny peice of an 8mg pill. i am getting up an exercising everyday. im on the tract for surgery and they said 50% chance i will get paralized. my family and friends are telling me not to chance the surgery and just deal with the painkillers so i can at least watch my kids…., but as you all know, its never just one for the pain, its oh damn, i got 20 days til my refill wtf am i gonna do. so mad and just dont know what to do. ready to give up. i am home with my kids as of now and i get my refill an my man gets his in 20 days. i am just so sick of the cycle and it took amnth for the headache to go away and then i now put myself in the postion to go thru this all over again. good news…. my man just started day shift so no more me working 8 hrs then home alone with kids til 5am…. i just need to know that people even with severe pain, can get off this shit and stay off it. every person i know that has gotten clean hasnt stayed or does coke drinks smokes pot. i do nothing. but these so i dont want to pick up an old habit like when i wasnt a mom. my kids are my world and i hate feeling like im taking from them. they didnt ask to be brought here. and larry i am sorry for sounding bitchy bout i kept needing support and the site was down at that time (not blaming my relapse on u in anyway) but i felt alone. i am now again, on day two of subs like i said, just a tiny peice of an 8mg pill. and hoping that it will be easier this time. idont know if i should even go see the surgon. ahhhhhhhhh. advice.? how to get rid of the damn back pain when they are telling me i need pins put in my back.?????????? i give up. i have no help noone to watch my kids so we can get thru the hardest part. is there hope or is my brain gonna forever think i need the pill. sorry to ramble. trying to not take my frustraion out on anyone. i just got back from a long walk with the kids and now on heating pad. blah. thanks to neone who respondes. sorry bout the spelling… my laptop is smashed so i cant see what i am wrting. lol.
     good luck to u all. all it takes is one day one pill to fall back in. so dont think u can have that one…..its neverrrrrrrr just one

364. jenn Said,

     August 9, 2011 @ 12:12 pm

     epic failure. thats what the fuck i am.

365. Larry C. Said,

     August 9, 2011 @ 2:11 pm

     No you’re not. Pain drives people to the brink of madness.
     Jenn if you are like most Americans your body is probably very acidic, and you might try changing the PH of your body. this will help IMMENSELY with the back pain. I recently started working on this and my back pain has completely disappeared.
     The back pain is called inflammation, and changing the ph of your body to a more alkaline ph will get rid of the inflammation.
     This is VERY SIMPLE to do.
     Drink the juice of one lemon a day for a while and see what happens, you will be amazed. Put the juice in a glass of ice water, or even better a glass of iced carbonated spring water like a soda. I usually tend to drink more during the later hours of evening to give my body the lemon juice to help detox. The body goes into detox mode about 8-9 pm at night and does so throughout the night.
     Read this:
     Quickest way to change body Ph

     I also started juicing. Another way to change the body Ph is by juicing with live juices. not the bottled pasteurized crap, that’s acid forming. Live juicing means using a juice expelling juicer to juice carrots, celery, apples and kale. This will not only change your body Ph but will help re-mineralize your body and help it heal in a very quick way.

     There’s another great book you might want to check out:
     The Ultimate pH Solution: Balance Your Body Chemistry to Prevent Disease and Lose Weight

     I shit you not, the back pain will go away so fast it’s not even funny.

     The other thing I did was get the Lose The Back Pain Program from the Healthy Back Institute.

     This taught me the stretches to do to help keep my back in shape and out of the chiropractors office. I haven’t been back to the chiropractor since I started using their stretches.

     But try the lemon juice immediately. Tell me how it’s working for you. It’s cheap and simple. 1 Lemon a day for 7 days. I do it all throughout the day. I stopped drinking bottled or canned juiced, sodas, anything with sugar in it. I ONLY drink water now or water with Lemon juice or sparkling spring water with lemon juice in it. It’s a back saver, a life saver.

     You’re not en epic failure, you’re in pain and most of us have been there, that’s how we got addicted.
     Good Luck!!!!
     Larry

366. Larry C. Said,

     August 9, 2011 @ 2:11 pm

     Please read my reply to your epic failure comment.
     Larry

367. Jen_Serenity Said,

     August 11, 2011 @ 8:10 pm

     Jenn-You are not a failure. Don’t beat yourself up for falling back into the cycle, it happens. Just try to think what you can do differently next time. You are worth it!! I too deal with severe pain from endometriosis and Cervical Cancer scarring. I have spent the last few days with the good ‘ol heating pad as well. I have 38 days off the Subutex today, and I have good days and bad days with the pain. It really helps me to get moving and out to meetings where I can get the support I need. You are not alone sweet girl. Our pain receptors get jacked up after we abuse pain pills. So, our pain threshold is vulnerable and the physical pain that drove us to the pills it still there-but we feel it even more-AARGH! I feel your pain, I was in tears last night screaming out that I didn’t know if the pain would ever subside and playing the chicken/egg game-Do I have unmanageable pain because I was an Opiate addict, Or am I now a recovering Opiate addict because of the legitimate, unmanageable pain?? Try the suggestions Larry offered and know that the “level” of the pain will turn down. Our bodies are amazingly resilient. Your body will heal, and your mind will heal. Best Wishes to you

368. Larry C. Said,

     August 11, 2011 @ 9:26 pm

     congrats on the 38 days!!!

369. gar Said,

     August 11, 2011 @ 10:15 pm

     Hello,

     Iv been doing opiates for the last 10 months. The first 8 and a half were varying amounts from one 30 a day to 5 a day. The last month and a half I have been doing mostly heroin. I havenever tried to quit but with college coming soon I need to get off them. Im am terrified of the withdraw but I am going to try and go my first day clean tomorrow. I understand that the opiates messed up my endorphins in my brain? I also herd physical exercise helps get them back? I do have a few suboxone and planned to take the, the first few days. I am terrified and I would really appreciate any help. Thank you for your time because this life style needs to stop.

370. Larry C. Said,

     August 12, 2011 @ 1:10 am

     Welcome Garrett,
     You don’t need the suboxone. If you’re young, you’ll be fine, beside you should experience the full effect of the withdrawal so you’ll never want to do it again. hahahaha. It blows…
     Yes exercise, read the post about the recipe I posted, get a few of those things from a health food store and they will help you get over it quicker.
     You’re going to be ok.
     Larry
     PS I’m not a doctor so feel free to not listen to me too.

371. gar Said,

     August 14, 2011 @ 8:56 pm

     The only thing is I go to school this week. How long will withdraw last? And also I have a court date coming up for a narcotic possession charge. It is my first ever offense and is a misdo. Could anyone tell me what’s going to happen because im worried im ging to lose my listens but I need to to attend na meetings and other help sessions. Thank you.

372. gar Said,

     August 14, 2011 @ 8:57 pm

     And where can I see your post on the health food store supply’s? Sorry I am very new to this

373. TT Said,

     August 17, 2011 @ 5:43 am

     so im writing this as I sit at my desk in the office this morning. Im starting Day 4 of no meds. This is my second attempt in two weeks. My first attempt was the beginning of last week which lasted 3 days until I gave in (relapsed). The short of the long is that I was prescribed tramadol and oxy after a motorcycle wreck approx 10 months ago. Im having all of the “Flu” symptoms as posted in the previous blogs, but what im finding the hardest to deal with is the no/lack-of sleep. I’ve been reading this blog for the past few days and decided that today would be an appropriate day to chime in. Specifically on my timeline from last evening…

     6:00pm – Arrive home from work. exhausted.
     6:30 – Attempt to keep busy cleaning
     7:30 – eat dinner (not hungry, but I know I need to eat. Have not been having the same eating issues as others)
     8:00 – take two prescribed muscle relaxers with a sleep agent
     8:15 – friends unexpectedly stop by. (they are aware of what im going through)
     8:45 – can’t stay awake, go to bed
     9:45ish – friends still in living room awaken me with loudness. I snap and yell “get the hell out of here, im sick!”
     9:50ish – friends leave
     10 – lay in bed awake, extremely upset with said friends
     12am – still awake, decide to get up and check email
     12:30 – attempt to sleep again. Recall reciting the chorus of “No Sleep Till Brooklyn” by the Beastie Boys over and over in my head.
     1:30 – no sleep, get up and have ice cream
     2:00 – turn on tv and watch an hour of “after hours poker”. Phil ivy is doing well
     3:00 – attempt to sleep again
     4:30ish – after flopping around in bed, get up and eat leftover hummus in fridge (very good)
     5:00-5:45 – This is the moment of glory! At some point I fall asleep. Don’t know how long. Last I remember checking clock was 5am, then again at 5:45
     6ish – think about getting up to exercise, but no energy
     6:20 – decide the night is over and start the morning routine.

     I realize that the above may be making light of a very serious matter. My intentions in writing this are to hopefully bring a smile to anyone who can relate with the above “night” or is going through the same. And I’d also like to know how many nights I’ll have to go through before I can get, at least, a solid 4-5 hours of sleep. Any info would be grateful. Until then, I’ll be zombiefied at my desk counting sheep jumping over fences.

     TT

374. Larry C. Said,

     August 17, 2011 @ 6:52 am

     Ahh sleep deprivation, it’s so good for torture and getting people to just give in.
     It will be a few days, like maybe 7ish???? Mine was several weeks, but then again I was coming off suboxone.
     Anyone else?

375. Larry C. Said,

     August 17, 2011 @ 6:59 am

     It’s right here: Thomas Recipe Alternative

376. Jen_Serenity Said,

     August 17, 2011 @ 8:21 pm

     Thanks larry, and we can go ahead and make that 44 days!!! It took me about a month as well to get my sleeping back to normal. BUT, it was Subutex. Best of luck TT!

377. Larry C. Said,

     August 18, 2011 @ 10:16 am

     Awesome, and how are you feeling these days Jen?

378. TT Said,

     August 19, 2011 @ 5:20 am

     Day 6 – Finally slept last night! 4 hour block, then a 2 hour block. Talk about relief… Still have the flu-like symptoms, but these i can deal with. looking forward to some more zzz’s

     thank you for the blog; its been a real crutch
     TT

379. Larry C. Said,

     August 19, 2011 @ 10:55 am

     I’ll bet that sleep felt amazing….

380. Jen_Serenity Said,

     August 20, 2011 @ 2:10 pm

     im doing very well thank you! staying in meetings and forcing myself to exercise. I’m still taking the L-Tyrosine,multi-vitamin,B-6 and Melissa Leaves daily. As torturous as getting off the Sub was; I do know that the time on it was healing for me in that I built up my mental defenses so I had a fighting chance against the PAWS. I don’t ever want to forget how hard it was (physically) but for today-Im happy,joyous and free!!

381. JJ Said,

     August 21, 2011 @ 4:11 pm

     I have been perscribed MS Contin taking it for the last seven months 15mg every 8 hours. Decided on 08-16-11 at 1200 hours to take my last dose. I want to see if therapy has improved my pain, plus I am scheduled for surgery and following surgery I don’t want to be on it so I know if the surgery was sucessful.

     I am not sleeping very good and have been feeling queasy, also have the night sweats. My pain is managable, so I know I don’t need the MS Contin anymore. How much longer do you think I will have these symptoms? The night sweats are by far the worst.

382. Larry C. Said,

     August 21, 2011 @ 6:30 pm

     You should be almost done. I would think by now you would be mostly done, I’d say another 2-3 days?
     Let us know how you are doing.
     It get’s better.
     Larry

383. JJ Said,

     August 21, 2011 @ 7:25 pm

     Thanks for the reply Larry, I don’t mentally crave the MS Contin, so that is not a problem. After I posted I fixed dinner for the family ate a full plate of food and felt great. I had not really eaten for the past three days that might have been part of my problem. Hopefully, I can get some good sleep tonight. I will let you know how I am doing.

384. Larry C. Said,

     August 21, 2011 @ 11:41 pm

     That could help. eat some bananas too. Drink lots of water.
     Larry

385. jenn Said,

     August 22, 2011 @ 8:54 am

     i am still playing the damn game. i take what people or docs give me, then run out and go to subs till the next refill. i feel so horrible. today i am on nada cuz my man took my pills to work by accident. ive cut down tons …. sometimes i wonder if its in my head. idk. soooooooooooooo thinking i wish i had a car to go to a meeting. i dont even have a sitter. i dont know what else to do. i just feel normal on the subs but then i run out and feel like shit. its a shitty cycle and im ready to give up. i gotta try the lemons. i go the 12th to see about surgery. but i just dont know. mad i fell back into it. so never thought this is where my life would be. im now a stay at home mom an no car. its really hard to not dwell on it when i am in a house allllllllllllll day with two screamin kids. a perk always made me feel like i could cope. and that is the prob. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thanks for the support. im thinking i need to go away to treatment. or ill never be free.

386. Alive&Kicking Said,

     August 26, 2011 @ 10:17 pm

     Hi Larry and everyone on this journey.

     I just wanted to stop in and offer some encouragement. Today was day 93 … !!!! I’m doing just fine and so happy that I am free of those damn pills. I hope that everyone here does well and gets off the damn things. Now when anyone mentions that their doctor wants to refer them to a pain management clinic, I always tell them to be careful and know that opiate addiction and withdrawal is not any fun and that they need to consider it and discuss it with their doctor. I let them know my experience with how the prolonged usage changed my attitude and behaviors and how miserable the withdrawal was. Maybe I can help someone else in some way by sharing my experience.

     To anyone still struggling …. just know that it can be done. And many thanks to all here because you are all respsonsible for helping me through a very tough time. And especially to Larry …. Thank you for your support and this website!

387. Larry C. Said,

     August 27, 2011 @ 12:28 am

     thank you for the kind words. Yeah it’s a pain, literally, to kick this shit but it is doable. It’s not just a physical thing, it’s an emotional and psychological thing as well.
     Keep up the good work.

     Larry

388. Jen_Serenity Said,

     August 31, 2011 @ 7:20 am

     Good morning friends! Coming up on day 60 of clean time this Friday- But for the grace of God go I!! I promise you it is doable and each day just keeps getting better. How are you doing Jenn?

389. Matt Said,

     September 2, 2011 @ 6:43 pm

     After reading just about every single post here, I really felt I should contribute just in case my own information helps someone out there in the way that your information has helped me. So, first and foremost, THANK you ALL for everything that you’ve shared!

     Back in September of 2007, I hurt my back pulling something out of the kitchen cupboard. I went to the doctor for it, remembering how much I loved Percocets back when I had my wisdom teeth extracted, and used my existing scoliosis as a tool to eventually convince the doctor to prescribe me Percocets monthly. I basically used charisma and lies to get it done. I never even considered the possibility of getting addicted. I just wanted to get high.

     Over the following months, well… you know how it goes. You’re quickly buying off of people, doing whatever you can to not run out. I can honestly say that from September of 2007 to Sunday, August 28th (5 days ago), I never went through a day without some form of oxycodone. This is mostly due to my prescription increasing to 60mg OxyContin twice per day, with 120 10/325 Percocets monthly for breakthrough “pain.” This, combined with what I bought off the street, was enough to never run out, ever. My habit topped out at 240mg of oxycodone (in its various forms) per day.

     Well, this last refill cycle, I decided to take a stand. I was tired of sitting alone on weekend nights just getting high and watching TV, sick of counting pills, sick of trying to think of excuses when I’d have sex without being able to finish (on the rare occasions where I had a sex drive at all!), sick of just about maxing out my credit cards because I was using cash to buy, sick of having no motivation to be active in any way, sick of declining plans if I didn’t have as many as I thought I’d need to get through those plans, sick of being constipated all the time (sometimes to the point of actual bleeding), sick of feeling like a zombie and not actually feeling real emotions anymore. What a horrible way to live! It’s not even living. It’s auto-pilot in a haze. It’s nothing. It’s brain death. It’s a vapid, soulless void with no love, no repercussions, no rewards, no compassion, no hope. Just a rinse/repeat life cycle that sucks you dry.

     So, this past Sunday the 28th, I took my very last pill at 10:00pm, with my boss’s knowledge of what was going on and his blessing to be out on Monday and Tuesday only. I had to be back Wednesday. The type of job I have makes it VERY difficult to miss work, so this was a big deal. I had to make the best of it. I was armed with four .5 mg pills of Xanax, five sublingual strips of the 8mg/2mg Suboxone, and a wonderfully supportive woman who has never taken a pill in her life.

     Timeline:

     Monday the 29th: The worst day of my life. I had to make it to 10:00pm to pass the 24 hour zone and take my first Suboxone. I literally screamed into my pillow for 19 hours. Some of you talk about exercising, taking a walk, occupying yourself. I am amazed and happy for you! For me, there was NO way this was possible. I could barely even roll over in bed, let alone stand up on my own two feet. Aside from the restless legs, I could swear I could individually feel each cell in my bone marrow gnashing its little teeth and wailing. It was inSANE. Every few hours, I would take one of the .5 mg Xanax pills which would afford me about 30 minutes of sleep each. That’s it. Then it was back to hell again, until finally, 10:00pm rolled around and I took 4mg of Suboxone. Within 30 minutes, I was out like a light, and didn’t wake up until 4:30am, feeling “fine.” (read: medicated – the Suboxone is a drug, too, let’s not forget it!).

     Tuesday the 30th: I basically laid around all day on the couch watching TV and feeling extremely lethargic. My energy level was probably at like 20%. In the evening, I took an 8 block walk, which was about my limit. I was asleep by 7:30pm, woke up at 11:30pm, fell asleep at 2:30am, and woke up at 6:00am on Wednesday. I don’t remember much else, but I can tell you that I did not take any Suboxone at all. This Tuesday was my first day opioid-free in 4 years.

     Wednesday the 31st: I took 2mg of Suboxone at 7:30am because the heebie-jeebies were getting really intense now, and I HAD to go to work, participate in meetings, etc. I was “fine” all day. No real issues to report here. It’s incredible how far such a small amount of Suboxone (drugs! let’s be real) can go. Went to my first NA meeting, ever, at 7pm. Nice experience. Not sure I’ll keep going, though. But SUCH nice and understanding people. Fell asleep at 10:00pm, woke up at 4:00am. Not feeling great, but not feeling even close to Tuesday, let alone Demon Monday.

     Thursday the 1st: I decided to NOT take Suboxone when I woke up, to see how long I could go. Pitter-pattered around from 4:00am until I got to work at 8:00am, and by the time I sat at my desk, I was so exhausted that I literally could not remove the foil top from the yogurt I brought in to eat. I had to use my teeth, because my arms were SO weak. How pathetic is that? But it’s completely true. I couldn’t even hold my head up. As soon as I realized my eyes were tearing and I was noticeably sneezing and everyone was basically looking at me dying, I took another 2mg of Suboxone because I knew I would not make it through the day at work. Then, of course, I was “fine.” After work, my girlfriend came over. This was the first time I had sex off of the oxycodone and, let me tell you, it was the best sex I had in 4 years. Did I last? NO. Haha. Suddenly, I actually have a sex drive and can feel sensations again! She was completely understanding, so we went at it two more times before bed. If there was any point during my recovery process where I was even more than 100% certain I was doing the right thing, it was then, and that’s why I’m mentioning it. Fell asleep at midnight (due to our activities), woke up at 4:00am (again, it seems 4:00am is a magic number for a lot of us!), and tossed and turned the rest of the way.

     Friday the 2nd (today) – I did the same thing as yesterday, and the same thing happened at my work desk. I was falling apart, and did another 2mg of Suboxone. Got through the day “fine” (drugged on the Subs). Got home, and had enough energy to actually do my laundry. Now I’m sitting here at 9:37pm feeling alright, but I know it’s the Subs.

     What will I do now? Well, no more Suboxone. This is luckily a three-day weekend (Labor Day), so from now onward, I take nothing other than potassium, Immodium, one-a-day multi vitamins, eat fruit, take showers, etc. But no more Suboxone. I only used it to make it through work. I’d ask “What should I expect?” but, guess what? It doesn’t really matter. It’s not like it’s going to change anything. I’m not going back to the pills. I’m not going back to that empty, hollow, lifeless “life.” If tomorrow will be like Monday again, then so be it. I will scream into my pillow until my throat goes raw, and I will be thankful for being able to feel it.

     And until then, I will be looking forward to living my new life. A real life. The one where I crave sex, and feel emotions, and rely on nothing to make me happy but day-to-day experiences, conversations with strangers, a joke told over a delicious plate of food, maybe even just the food itself.

     I can’t wait, and neither can you.

     “If you’re going through Hell, keep going.” – Winston Churchill

390. Larry C. Said,

     September 2, 2011 @ 8:34 pm

     Matt, thanks so much for sharing this, it’s a real birds eye view into the life of an addict. It will help people to know they are not alone and they aren’t the only ones doing what they do. Please keep us updated and let us know how you are doing. BTW would you mind if I posted this to the blog, such a great comment it deserves to be posted…
     Thanks
     Larry

391. Matt Said,

     September 2, 2011 @ 8:46 pm

     Larry, thank you for your kind words! By all means, you’re the reason I even posted here. Please feel free to use anything I said as you see fit, and I’ll try to post updates throughout the weekend to document my progress.

392. Matt Said,

     September 4, 2011 @ 10:54 am

     Continuing the timeline:

     Saturday the 3rd (yesterday) – Day 6. This was the first day of not using Suboxone. I woke up around 6:00am, walked 10 blocks to a coffee shop, and sat around for awhile trying to keep myself outside and active. I ended up going home after 2 1/2 hours, though, because people were talking to me and it was very difficult to focus. On top of that, the restless legs were getting the better of me, and they’re SO darned uncomfortable. I’ve been eating bananas and taking potassium supplements, and I guess they help, but the restless legs are still an issue, and it’s what causes me to sleep so little. When I got home from the coffee shop, I literally watched movies on my couch for 12 hours, finally going to bed at 11:00pm, though I didn’t fall asleep until 2:30am, and I only slept 3 hours.

     Saturday the 4th (today) – Day 7. Woke up, had sex with my girlfriend, did my normal potassium / Immodium / Naproxen / multi-vitamin regimen, walked around the block to get myself moving, ate a banana, and treated myself to an hour long massage with focus on the legs to help with their restlessness. Afterwards, I went to a little cafe and ate a vegetable bagel sandwich. I didn’t much feel like hanging out, though, due to focus, so it’s 1:54pm and I’m home now. Probably going to relax and watch movies again. My energy level is extrEMEly low, and it makes me so lethargic, enough so that it’s just really hard for me to do anything at all. Even taking a shower, while feeling good, is a particularly taxing thing to do.

     Even though this is Day 7 without various forms of oxycodone, it’s only Day 2 without Suboxone. I’m hoping that I make it over the hump soon. While my determination is unwavering, and while there’s no chance I’ll ever go back to the old life, I’m frankly sick and tired of feeling sick and tired.

393. Matt Said,

     September 4, 2011 @ 10:56 am

     Pardon me: SUNDAY the 4th.

394. Matt Said,

     September 6, 2011 @ 4:32 pm

     OK! Hi! I’m in MUCH better spirits today. The timeline:

     Sunday the 4th part 2: After posting the above, I ended up taking a long hot bath/shower combo. Afterwards, I had a text on my phone inviting me to a Labor Day BBQ with some friends. I hadn’t been social for 7 days now, just wallowing on the couch feeling terrible, so I agreed to go. Drove the 45 minutes, hung out for only 2 hours, and went right back home. I just couldn’t handle the social situation yet. My brain was too foggy, my legs were going crazy and I felt like everyone might be staring, and just the act of moving my body felt like I was stuck in jello. I went home and went to bed early, like 9pm. I slept a full 6 hours!

     Monday the 5th: Again, that jello feeling, just terrible still. I walked 10 blocks in the morning to a coffee shop, hung out for an hour, and walked the 10 blocks back. It’s funny, you know… getting yourself to the point where you start walking is darn near impossible, but once you actually start moving, it feels good. Still, my energy levels at this point were so low that afterwards, I collapsed on my couch, again, drifting in and out of that inconsequential, nourishment-less twilight-type sleep. Last night, I slept a total of 2 1/2 – 3 hours. Total.

     Tuesday the 6th (today): This Day 9 is my turning point, I think. Unless the nasties return later or tomorrow! But it’s 7:34pm now. I haven’t had any form of oxycodone in 9 days, and no Suboxone for 4 days, and I actually had some energy today! I worked hard the whole day at my job and not once did I feel like I needed to lay down. I’ve eaten three meals, and even if I still have the runs, my appetite is awakening. So is my sexual appetite, although I really need to work on my endurance because I’m not used to all of those sensations.

     I just wanted to make this Good News Update for everyone who may be reading out there, afraid of the process. Yes, of course it’s hard. Yes, you do have to accept that you are going to feel unwell for awhile. There’s an end, though! I know that I still have a ways to go to get to 100%, but let me tell you, 75% feels AMAZING.

395. mary Said,

     September 11, 2011 @ 11:10 am

     Hey everyone, just reading thru everyones posts. I am at 52 hours clean. I did taper so my wd’s weren’t as bad as they were in the past. But the lack of sleep is horrible. I do feel a little better today, but sooo tired and no energy. All I feel like doing is picking up that phone, to get some “energy”. I WILL NOT though. Thankis for posting everyone…Tyler you were a big help. I did the same taper/sub that you did.

396. Help wanted Said,

     September 16, 2011 @ 9:42 am

     Hi, this is the first time I have ever posted on a board. I am in my 30′s and was diagnosed about 2 years ago with a rapidly increasing arthritic disease. Besides the biological medications my doctor gave me large qty’s of vicodin and percocet, 90 – 120 pills a month for years. Besides the fact that my pain is still insane and these meds don’t do anything, I have decided to get off of them before I am a addict. What can I do that will be the safest? How long does it take for the weight gain to come off??

397. Larry C. Said,

     September 16, 2011 @ 11:32 am

     It sounds like with the statement of being on the pills for years, you are already addicted. I wouldn’t worry about the weight gain right now, just worry about getting off. Have you talked to your doctor about this yet? What did he say?

398. Help wanted Said,

     September 16, 2011 @ 3:30 pm

     Thank you for your comment. The doctor is aware of my concerns of addiction and that is why I have refused to go on anything higher than the vicodin or percocet. I am looking into accupuncture and other means. I am between a rock and a hard place because my disease will end up crippling me within a few more years so the doctor is concerned about my health and being as comfortable as possible.

399. Tyler Said,

     September 18, 2011 @ 8:52 am

     Hi everyone! I just wanted to say to Mary- keep it up! It only gets easier. I’m around 5 months clean and at this point I can’t even believe that was me living that life. But if me going thru it and posting about it helped even one person come off, then it was more than worth it. Everyone out there- Stay strong! Every day is a lil better than the last, until you can’t believe that was you. Life is night and day different, you may not realize it while your on them but you certainly will when you come off. People aren’t just being mean when they tell you you’re not the same person anymore, YOU AREN’T! kick the pills and take your life back! I don’t believe much in heaven or hell, but I always tell people pain killers are the devil! Best of luck to everyone, I know you can make it through this:) PS- Larry, as usual you’re the man, keep up the good fight! -Tyler

400. KOLfan Said,

     September 18, 2011 @ 1:16 pm

     I would just like to post that after reading everyone’s stories on here, I believe it’s what has gotten me through this hellish time of my life.
     I am a 29 year old stay at home mommy, and have been addicted to vicodin for almost three years. As of 11:00 a.m. today,I am 5 days sober
     And I don’t know if I’m soome kind of superhuman, or just have tremendous willpower, but now that the withdrawals are over, I have no desire to ever take another pill. And I’m already almost back to feeling 100%.
     So I just wanted to say thank you to each, and every one of you who got me through this. <3

401. KOLfan Said,

     September 18, 2011 @ 1:23 pm

     Oh b.t.w. I quit cold turkey. Without any benzos, just lots of vitamins. I didn’t really eat for three days, but made sure to keep myself hydrated..

402. PatJ Said,

     September 19, 2011 @ 3:54 pm

     Larry, I’ve never posted before but I have read each and every post after I stumbled upon your web site looking for answers while on day 3 of a cold turkey Vic, norc, wd… During the 1st week I had all the classic symptoms, diarhea, body aches all over, moodiness, insomnia, chills, Anxiety/Panic Attacks, Depression, sneezing, etc. Well I’m currently at day 15 clean of a 2 year habit! I’m feeling better everyday and never want take another white or yellow devil again unless I have major surgery or something. I can’t thank you enough Larry for helping me get through this. You see my problem was a private one and I couldn’t talk with family or friends about it. You and everyone posting are my light at the end of the tunnel. The only thing I was taking during WD was Ammodium AD and a B complex vitamin, I also took a few Xanax for full blown anxiety attack. Still got some depression and anxiety at day 15. Will this go away soon? I know it can linger a bit but I’m not sure how long. My greatest fear in life now is what if these anxiety attacks don’t leave me? I know it may sound irrational but it will subside eventually right???

403. Larry C. Said,

     September 19, 2011 @ 5:03 pm

     Pat, while this stuff is usually normal, some people really do have anxiety and panic attacks. I don’t know if you are one of them but yes, they should go away and lessen with time.
     Glad you found the site.
     Larry

404. PatJ Said,

     September 19, 2011 @ 7:34 pm

     Thanks Larry, I never had anxiety or panic attacks before I became addicted so I’m hoping its just part of my addiction and will clear up in time! God Bless You all and keep taking it 1 day at a time! were getting stronger everyday!!!

405. derek Said,

     September 19, 2011 @ 7:48 pm

     been taking basically lortab 10s or whatever i could get any where from 6 to 10 a day for about 2 years(not as bad when i first started of course)ive tryed to kick it many times but always wanted to go back even tho ive withdrawled many many times..im trying again its day one,feel like shit but im manning up..wondering if it would hurt any to take a methadone?small dose?thankyou,derek

406. Larry C. Said,

     September 19, 2011 @ 9:03 pm

     Methadone will prolong your agony, is harder to get off than heroin, and is way worse for your body…Man up and tough it out.

407. derek Said,

     September 19, 2011 @ 9:48 pm

     Thanks im tryin but not sleeping/rls blows

408. Larry C. Said,

     September 20, 2011 @ 1:13 am

     get some magnesium and some potassium, if nto eat a bunch of bananas, it will help with the RLS and the diarrhea.

     Larry

409. derek Said,

     September 20, 2011 @ 12:30 pm

     Yeah i been doing that don’t seem to help much at all.Day 2 still clean tho.not gonna lie if i wasn’t broke id’ probably go get some shit but fuck it..little achey still naucious but hanging in there and i do feel better than yesterday.STILL Can feel my joints in my hands and legs fiending for drugs..,really hope that goes away and i can get some descent sleep soon..im hoping.last time i attempted getting clean i took subs and had RLS for 6 nights couldn’t take it anymore and ended up coping again..seems a little better for myself going cold turkey..hope it works.

410. derek Said,

     September 20, 2011 @ 8:43 pm

     Funk You RLS!!!!Funk You..time for another movie i guess..

411. derek Said,

     September 21, 2011 @ 12:58 am

     this is why i went back to using last time,i can’t sleep.i just want to sleep.

412. Larry C. Said,

     September 21, 2011 @ 10:00 am

     This is why sleep deprivation is used with great success in torture.
     You will get back to sleep, just keep going you can do it. how many days now?
     Larry

413. derek Said,

     September 21, 2011 @ 11:58 am

     today is day 3,i feel the worst is over but im really really wanting to use,thanks for the support.

414. Larry C. Said,

     September 21, 2011 @ 1:09 pm

     yes that’s par for the course. have you thought about hitting an NA meeting to get some support?
     this is 3 days that you don’t have to go through ever again, unless you want to.
     see if you can make it another 5 hours.
     then check back…

415. derek Said,

     September 21, 2011 @ 2:37 pm

     i have thought about it but im not good with people and social things like that..i can make it the whole day it just sucks obviously..just thinking how much better id feel if i used.welp goin to my girls dance rehearsal sober wow wierd..its gonna be hard not having that calming feeling especially through this ha..thanks

416. derek Said,

     September 22, 2011 @ 12:17 pm

     day 4..feel pretty fuckin’ good.might b a pink cloud

417. Benji Said,

     September 22, 2011 @ 12:45 pm

     I have stopped taking 30s for 5 days and have had a little sub over that period so I can survive. Does this just pro long my 5-7 days of physical withdrawal? Or will it just be all mental after this

418. Larry C. Said,

     September 22, 2011 @ 7:27 pm

     Depending how much Sub you used it might last a little longer. Maybe not. Yeah you will probably have to deal with some depression after the physical…
     Keep us posted how you are doing.
     Larry

419. PatJ Said,

     September 22, 2011 @ 7:45 pm

     Day 18 and still going strong friends, I pray for all of us! Still have anxiety, a bit of depression, and my sleep is still messed up but we are getting stronger everyday! Take it one day at a time and don’t break!!!

420. derek Said,

     September 23, 2011 @ 10:38 am

     day 5 rls AND a terrible migraine last night fun shit..real naucious and just over all pretty shitty feeling today.but still clean.

421. Bill Said,

     September 23, 2011 @ 10:45 am

     I have a question, I’ve was on norco 10 mg for 18 years for back pain. They were prescribed 4 times daily but I only took 1 a day and always @ 300 in the afternoon after all work was done. I’ve been off them for 60 days now, sleep well, eat good and generally happy but, when ever I drink something sweet like fruit juice, pineapple juice, sweet tea with lemon, I feel withdrawl 10 minutes later. It makes me want to smoke cigs like crazy….for Gods sake its been 60 days now!! how much longer will this go on? I recently had a heart attack so I must walk 1 mile everyday but this dosent seem to be helping it go away. I’ve already made the desision to face the back pain and deal with it, now I just want my life back drug free so what am I looking at here? 6 mths, 1 yr, several years to recover and be withdrawl free?

422. Matt Said,

     September 23, 2011 @ 11:07 am

     Back with an update.

     Day 26 without OxyContin/Percocet, and day 21 without Suboxone, and I still haven’t had a single craving for the drug. I’m beginning to think that if you really, truly want to stop, then so will the cravings, because you genuinely have no interest in continuing the abuse, or going through life with that hazy, false sense of well-being.

     I had my first solid stool a few days ago. I felt weak and apathetic on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday felt pretty good, Wednesday and Thursday were very achy all over, and today (Friday) I feel almost completely fine. I have a feeling I’m at the on-and-off stage, now, where the PAWS comes in waves. A few bad days, a few good days.

     And really, what better sign of progress? To have a solid stool sometimes, to go through a whole 30-60 minutes without even thinking about my condition, to have an entire day where I don’t daydream about sitting in the tub and cutting my legs off by hand with a band saw.

     Even further, I am now sleeping! I’m averaging between 6-7 hours a night now which, let me tell you, has a significant spirit-lifting effect after going weeks (literally, weeks) with 3-4 hours a night. It tends to break the catch-22 cycle of daytime lethargy and nighttime insomnia.

     So, I just wanted to say that I am improving, and that I really did do it. I’m not going back to the drug. In fact, during my last doctor’s appointment, I handed back my last two unfilled scripts of OxyContin and, as a symbolic gesture, they were torn into little pieces and thrown in the garbage.

     Which, really, is just where they belong.

423. Larry C. Said,

     September 23, 2011 @ 11:33 am

     “when ever I drink something sweet like fruit juice, pineapple juice, sweet tea with lemon”

     maybe it’s the sugar? I would ask a doctor about that. doesn’t seem right…

424. Larry C. Said,

     September 23, 2011 @ 11:33 am

     keep going , this 5 days you don’t have to do again…

425. derek Said,

     September 23, 2011 @ 2:10 pm

     thanks man for the support if thats for me..im goin.just wanna feel normal

426. Susan Said,

     September 24, 2011 @ 2:56 am

     Proud of all of you, I am a mother of a 27yr old daughter who just entered detox for the first time. She has been using for 7yrs. Started with Oxy, now Suboxone. I am reading these entries to try and understand what her detox will be like, I hope she can do this…..she is strong.
     As a Mother, know that you are all loved, and if there is anyone on earth who believes in you, its your Mother/Parent.
     Just reading your entries, makes me proud of all of you…..feel the hug I am sending to you. This too shall pass, and on the other side of your detox, is someone who waits to hold you and love you again.

     Mom

427. shar Said,

     September 25, 2011 @ 12:06 pm

     Hey larry I have a couple questions. So my boyfriend and I have this horrible addiction together! We started using 30mg of oxys for fun then it turned into a horrible habit. Because I’m small(5’3, 100Ibs)and have only one kidney I would only take around one a day or 2 at my complete max, I know thats not a lot considering the amount that most people or my bf takes which is like 8 a day to 10. What I’m wondering is if my withdraw symptoms would be not as bad for me because of the dose or if it would be the same because i did 60mg every day for a year and that was my max dose i could take. Also what kind of exercise do you recommend? We just started to quit cold turkey because we had started before and ended up relapsing due to the extreme RLS pains in our legs and sleepless nights, so instead of tapering down we again did all the pills so we are day 2 into the withdraw and am in complete hell. I heard the 4th day is the worst? However, I thought that after 5-7 days you will be better. Do you know any vitamins that will help with the restless leg, and anything to take for sleep?! I dont have anyone to talk to and I want to get us both through this so we can live happy and healthy lives, so any advice you can give would be very helpful! Its hard to be the strong one when I too am going through the same pain. Also i almost forgot on the first time around my bf was in the worst pain from the RLS I thought he was going to lose it the only thing that got rid of it was a hot bath but thats so hard to keep doing all day/night and early morning long im just so exhausted. So anything you know that you know that can help with the RSL i feel that is our main problem because it makes it impossible to sleep and suboxone isnt an option for us. Thank you.

428. Larry C. Said,

     September 26, 2011 @ 11:58 am

     Read this for RLS supplements:
     http://www.howtogetoffpainkillers.com/the-thomas-recipe-alternative-larrys-recipe-for-opiate-withdrawal/

     as for the habit you have, as my junkie friends would say a habit is a habit no matter how big or small you used. if it was continuous your body still got used to it and changed it’s way of being. so you could be just as sick as he even though you took less for the same amount of time.
     Let me also add with the potassium for RLS use also magnesium, which could make your diarrhea worse but i will help relax the legs and muscles.
     Good luck and also try a few NA meetings, you guys may find some new friends and support. Keep us up on your progress.
     Larry

429. Jess Said,

     September 26, 2011 @ 3:03 pm

     Hey larry awesome site has mentally helped lots. I was on 50mcg fentanyl patches up to a patch a day for 2-3weeks a month the last 1-2weeks i took a total of 60 percocets and 20 20mg oxycontins i did this for 2 years and the 4 before that i had the 75mcg patches. Im at 1 month no patches and15 days no percs or norco (switched to norco to get off patches. Did not use subs. Im no longer sick. Still very tired and still constantly want the meds especially when i have to get things done. I jave pain issues which is what started all this but i am very pregnant now and even though dr. Says i could still take norco i stopped everything and would like to keep it that way but i still 15days later want it bad enough to search my house for one i may have missed and think constantly about telling dr. I want the script. How much longer before the intense cravings for the evil meds go away??? Will they ever b totally gone? Obviously what is best for baby is most important i get that thats y i stopped but the mental warfare in my head is making me crazy and i already take wellbutrin. But i got so used to feeling good that now no exercise or sex or candy sugar is helping. When can i hope for this mental battle to subside? Anything else that will produce some endorphins? Thank u this site has helped me get this far and kept me strong at my weakest points but i have been through so much and gotten so far but im so scared of relapsing and i thought the hardest part was over so y is this still soooooo hard?

430. Jess Said,

     September 26, 2011 @ 6:45 pm

     I used the patches sublingually instead of transdermally and would do so prior to anything physical, emotional within second i was on point i could do anything really i could be so productive i was supermom superwife, just very happy friendly patient loving. Its like i got addicted to being that person and now im stuck being tired,lazy no patience with my son, cant even hardly keep dishes done, mouths fed, and clean clothes on family. Much less the rest of the house and my husband is working 70 hours a week to pay for all the baby stuff we need so i cant ask him to pick up the slack. I need to feel that inspiration to get stuff done and so i can again be proud of who i am and what i can accomplish. But i dont know how to get the inspiration with out the meds anymore. Before the pain and body problems started i was definatly and overachiever. Always tried to b perfect friend, student, daughter, employee etc. So when i realized the meds enabled me to be that person again, i was back. The meds enabled me to physically accomplish but now i realize they destroyed my natural drive to want to accomplish will i get back that natural inspiration and drive that i had b4 the meds? Or have i totally fried those receptors? Or brain just cant remember how to produce these chemicals?Mayb my mental addiction to who i can b is stronger than the physical? Anyone else out there going through this or have gone through the anguish of not getting to b the productive great person u that u settled into being? Thank u to everyone your posts have been motivation for weeks it helps to know others are fighting the same battle

431. Larry C. Said,

     September 27, 2011 @ 12:35 am

     Please read this:
     http://www.howtogetoffpainkillers.com/pain-killers-and-the-brain/

     I’d also say get the Melissa but you can’t take it, you are pregnant. SO DO NOT take that.

     You’ve been doing this for a few years right? it’s going to take longer than 15 days to get through the PAWs. It will take a little while before you start feeling the craving go away, but one day you will realize you went through the whole day without thinking about it. GO TO NA. Get some support from others who have been through it, not from here from a meeting, real physical people who will stand with you and hold your hand through the difficult stuff.

     You need more support than you think, an addict alone in their head is in bad company.
     Exercise is the fastest way back to normal that I know of. walking, breaking a sweat, elliptical, whatever the doctor says you can do while you are pregnant. That will bring back the endorphins, that and time.

     You also have to remember you are pregnant so your emotion are going to run wild. Just bear with it and live it. Feel it. You will get through this.

     Come to think of it now, when my wife was pregnant her extra hormones…uhhm yeah, best sex ever, if you can have really good sex that too will bring back the endorphins. Sex, exercise, more sex, more exercise.

     BTW I’m on wellbutrin too, great stuff…how long have you been on it?if not too long depending on how you react to it it might make things worse?

     Please stay connected here and keep us all posted on your progress….

     Larry

432. Jess Said,

     September 27, 2011 @ 3:04 pm

     Atleast knowing eventually things will feel right again helps and gives hope. I started the wellbutrin about 2 months before given my first pain meds (tylenol w codein) got the wellbutrin for the depression from pain and not beig able to measure up to my own expectations. that was all about 7 years ago now so yeah i guess logically it should take a while to equalize. Its just so much easier said than done. Really im afraid of the NA stuff because of the assault to my ego having to b the pregnant junkie everyone thinks is so pathetic disgusting sad. Just like those pregnant and… Shows on discovery. I guess technically, unfortunatly that is my situation. But its really not the images one congures when hearing my truth. I got in this predicament with all the best of intentions i just wanted to b the best i could b. I never realized the whole time not only was a monkey or a gorilla growing on my back but now that i stopped i feel like im in an unarmed blindfolded battle against king kong, and since its all in my head i wanna run and hide from my self. And the 3months of serious physical illness i went through getting of the damn patches i wanted to literally jump out of my creepy crawly yucky feeling body and now my body is better i just want out of my head! For years i wondered y the dr.s made it sooo hard for patients to have the medicine they need to b a productive happy member of society, oh my have the tables turned now. Now i wonder how it is legal to prescribe something so addictive that when u dont have it anymore u cant stand this other brain/body that you r left with. To me it feels like my brain
     body self whatever u wanna call it was left at home, but i went on vacation (to p ain killer land)and loved vacation sooo much that i never realized the whole time my real self was at home withering away,neglected, starved and totally falling apart. And now vacations over and im left with my unintended self created hell. So for anyone contemplating continuing pain meds longer? U must realize at somepoint u will b trapped in the shell of a person that u create the whole time ur on pain med vacation so think hard really hard its like bargaining your soul to the devil whether u agree to the terms or not.
     Sorry guys not trying to b a drag but if my pain and anguish can help even 1person not go through such hell than atleast some good has come of it.

433. shar Said,

     September 27, 2011 @ 3:43 pm

     very frustrated right now I’m currently on my 4th day of being clean and the RLS is either become manageable or I’m just use to it I got total of 6 hours of sleep last night which has been way better than the 1 or 2 hours the pervious nights. I’ve been exercising even if its just easy stuff to get my heart rate up and get some endorphins pumping trying to use all the little dopamine I have left to send out signals to send more! I actually found out we recycle dopamine and when you are using the same over and over it will send signals to produce more. I’ve been stretching got some vitamins and got potassium gluconate which i guess is the same but it made me feel weird so thats out and bananas are in, calcium and magnesium. My current problem is like I said before my boyfriend and I are going through this together he hasn’t been doing as well and hasn’t even been trying to stretch with me It gets so frustrating because its hard to encourage someone and show them love when you don’t even want to be touched and I have been a little bitchy the passed days me and no sleep is not a pretty sight. HERE IS MY BIGGEST PROBLEM. HE TOOK A PILL he found on our second day and is currently out to go get more, because he thinks he is back to day one now of the withdrawal processes I’ve been googling everything please please tell me this isn’t true! He figures since he already took the other pill and has to work this week that he should just get more pills take them and take the next week off work to go through the withdrawal process again. I TOLD HIM THOSE ARE ALL JUST EXCUSES AND HE NEEDS TO REALIZE THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM AND BRINGING THOSE PILLS IN THE HOUSE COULD CASE ME TO RELAPSE. IS THERE any way please that him doing that one pill didn’t set him back to the beginning I need someone on my side!! Also Larry thank you for all your advice and all of these wonderful and helpful stories I’m journaling my withdrawal so I will post it when I start feeling better.

434. Larry C. Said,

     September 27, 2011 @ 4:09 pm

     The only assault on your ego is your own head trash. You will not get judged at an NA meeting like you would at church. Everyone has their own story. If your ego is not your amigo, get rid of it. Hit an NA meeting and check it out…

435. Larry C. Said,

     September 27, 2011 @ 4:10 pm

     Well technically he is back to square one of being clean. he is not back at the beginning of withdrawal although it will drag it out a LITTLE it’s not that bad, and yes those are his addict head rationalizing things to go get high.

436. Susan Said,

     September 28, 2011 @ 1:21 am

     Larry, have you heard of Vivitrol, the once a month shot that is supposed to help an addict (post detox) stay away from drugs and minimize the effect of any drugs they might take? The detox place my daughter is at, suggested this for her? I have done some research on it, it all seems positive. Wondering what you may know about it?

     Thanks
     Susan

437. Larry C. Said,

     September 28, 2011 @ 10:36 am

     Yeah it’s called Naltrexone:
     http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000486/

     Here’s something you need to think about. The person who is the addict must get clean for themselves. They can’t do it for anyone else, otherwise it will not work. So giving this to an addict who really doesn’t want to quit may help so she doesn’t get high, because she can’t, but once she is off it, she may relapse. It’s like giving an alcoholic antabuse.
     It may well help her too, give her the added boost she needs to really get her head clear and clean and see the light.

     Let us know how that goes.
     Larry

438. Larry C. Said,

     September 28, 2011 @ 10:37 am

     what she really needs is a 12 step program to help her get over what’s keeping her high. The way 12 step program works is they work a program of 12 steps. Each step leads into the next and gets to the root of the addicted thinking and why they keep getting loaded.

439. kevin K Said,

     September 28, 2011 @ 11:42 am

     hey i have a question i went thru a detox and have been out of detox for about 5 days but still have the chills.. and headaches and such how long will this last so total i have been clean 11 or 12 days/

440. Larry C. Said,

     September 28, 2011 @ 12:02 pm

     that can depend on your detox regimen. What did it consist of?

441. kevin K Said,

     September 28, 2011 @ 12:04 pm

     like what they gave me?

442. kevin K Said,

     September 28, 2011 @ 12:05 pm

     methocarbomal,clonodine,uhm feb somthing (they give to alcoholics alot ) uhm not too much i was taking the least amount i could while i was in there

443. Matt Said,

     September 28, 2011 @ 3:15 pm

     Just a word of advice, from someone on day 31. Guess what has WAY more potassium than bananas or supplements? ORANGE JUICE and YOGURT. You wouldn’t believe how much of both I’ve been consuming! It does wonders. My doctor told me it’s something the banana industry would prefer not to advertise, but it’s true. Check it out yourself, and keep going, everyone! There’s an end. There’s always an end.

444. Crystal Said,

     September 29, 2011 @ 6:36 am

     Im 25 now iv been on oxy contin 80mg and oxy codone 30mg for 10 years now it started by me loosing my only child when I was 17 yrs old I got into smoking dope but it wasn’t for me so I flushed it and I never been a pot smoker so I just stoped every thing but then I got into a bad car accident were a drunk man hit me and my husband went threw it with me every step I did he was there to well he got put on oxy so we started snorting it then it changed in formula were it can’t be abused honestly it didn’t bother us bc we took it right every day except in the morning that’s when we would snort it to get it in us I have 3 herniated disks in my spine my husband has 4 we’ve been between methadone codone contin and morphine for 10 years now but the thing is i only take it now bc I don’t want to go threw withdrawal iv been there 32 times it’s not that I didn’t want to stop it’s the suffering I dread I have seizures I go threw throwing up blood my legs and feet and hands hurt so bad I cry so much iv got no energy 24/7 I’m TIRED of this crap iv been tired for so many years now I’m only 25 I feel like I’m 50 years old the thing is my mom my sisters my dad my mother in law my husband my ex husband my brother in law and my sister in law are all on the same pills I’m trapped

445. Crystal Said,

     September 29, 2011 @ 6:42 am

     Sorry I was 16 I’m fixing to be 26

446. Miss Understanding Said,

     September 30, 2011 @ 4:00 pm

     Hi and thanks to all who not only shared their story here, but especially those who come back in often to help, support, guide and yes, cheerlead (!) others who are suffering. My problem is this: I took 4-6 norco daily (prescribed) for 4 years. Got laid off, lost healthcare. I refuse to “doctor shop” nor resort to any illegal behavior to obtain meds. I did the only thing I knew to do which was go to ER, where I was utterly humiliated and made clear I would not be able to continue on my regimen. I had ten norco left which I cut into thirds, plus about 30 codeine left over from dentist. Took last full norco doses on Sunday. Last 4 days, endured withdrawal symptoms mainly excruciating low back pain (esp. in bed at night), sneezing, headache, watery eyes, and grumpy. Anyway, I don’t know how to feel because I never wanted to quit in the first place. The norco I was using was never abused, had NO ill effects on my work, relationships, nothing bad came from them. On the contrary, they were a godsend for me and really helped me lead a more productive and pain-free life. The past three days, I have done a taper wherein I consume 8-24 mg of codeine as needed to stave off illness, benadryl, a third of norco tab to quell the back pain/RLS to sleep a few hours each night. I’m exercising, eating etc., and not concerned nor worried about getting “more opiates.” That being said, if I never felt I had a problem, only quit because forced to by asshat MD, how should I approach this going forward? What do you think?

447. Larry C. Said,

     September 30, 2011 @ 4:32 pm

     If you’re done, then be done. By get back on them? there are ways of combating pain besides pain meds.
     the back pain ad on the side bar over there—> is how I started relieving the pain. and I am now pain free from some basic stretches. Most peoples pain comes from not leading an active lifestyle and living sedentary. Desk jobs are the worst.
     The other thing I did that really helped relieve the pain is to drink lemon juice in my water, stop drinking things with sugar or soda. And I got a juice extractor and started juicing everyday.
     The acidic diet that Americans eat contributes immensely to chronic pain and back ache. It seems so simple that people don’t try it and continue to live in pain.
     If I had known the things I just told you 68 years ago, I’d have never become addicted to pain meds.

     Larry
     PS
     ok so when you run out completely don’t get anymore, just cold turkey tough it out and you will be done. Also going to the ER is doctor shopping in a sense, ER doctor shopping.

     Check back and update us.
     Larry

448. Miss Understanding Said,

     September 30, 2011 @ 5:16 pm

     Wow, thank you Larry, for your quick and very nice reply
     I forgot to say, I was not able to qualify for Medicare nor any other state or federal healthcare, but I do have an appointment at a clinic (for homeless and other “slipping through the cracks of society” types, like myself on Oct. 10th. The reason I went to the ER last Sunday was because my script was running out and I was trying to keep continuous care till my appointment.
     My pain is neuralgia due to repeated nerve trauma/injury, FYI. When I took Lyrica, I gained 75 lbs, plus the joys of obesity and sciatica. When I switched to norco, I was able to get adequate pain control enough to lose the weight/exercise etc.
     One last question: In order to endure this suffering, I hVe been telling myself little sayings. For example, “It’s good to hurt and feel XY&Z withdrawal pains, because all the while you’re feeling THAT, your brain/body are working to re-set the deficiencies in endorphins, etc., and you are one step closer to being ‘over it.’ ” Is that true? Or is my tapering actually just prolonging things? THANK YOU SO MUCH

449. Larry C. Said,

     September 30, 2011 @ 5:54 pm

     yeah tapering is a form of prolonging it but some need to taper as the withdrawal would be just way too much, like from suboxone.

450. southpaw Said,

     October 1, 2011 @ 8:33 am

     I am on day 14 now without Morphine ER and almost feeling 100%. I started taking pain killers after a back surgery 15 years ago. 2 years after the first back surgery I had to have a second back surgery, so the pain meds continued. After several years on Vicodin my Dr changed me over to Norco. She was concerned with the amount of Acetaminophen I was taking with Vicodin. After several years on Norco my Dr put me on Morphine ER for long term pain management. I started with 15 mg of Morphine ER 2 times a day then it was upped to 3 times a day then up to 4 times and then up to 5 times a day. At the beginning of 2011 I started exercising and working on my core and swimming. I noticed that my back pain had decreased, so I dropped my dose down to 4 then 3 and finally 2 a day. I asked myself if my back pain had gotten to a point that it could be managed without pain meds. So I dropped it down to 1 a day. I did this for a week and then stopped. I thought that this would make it easier. Well was I wrong, the first week I was a mess. I had most of the symptoms of withdrawal. I called my pain management Dr. and told her what I had done. She said that she could prescribe Clodine and treat the other symptoms with Advil and Imodium A-D. I decided to do without the Clodine since a week had already gone by and I should be on the downside of the symptoms. Each day got better and I started to feel like myself again. I still don’t sleep all the way through the night but I get around 5-6 hours total sleep. The night sweats are getting better. To all of you out there I just want to say, YOU CAN DO IT. I found a great mediation tape and when things got bad I would go listen to it. This helped a great deal and also assisted in helping me fall asleep. My only concern is I have read about PAW (post-acute withdrawal) and wonder how this is going to be. I know that I can handle that as well. This form also helped, reading all the stories gave me hope and the strength to continue on the path free of Morphine ER. I know that everyone if different and has different levels of pain but I would try to see if you can manage your pain without any pain killers. I know it’s still early for me but I have faith in myself and know that I don’t want to go back down this path again. Good luck to all of you out there.

451. Miss Understanding Said,

     October 1, 2011 @ 9:09 am

     Update: So yesterday was my first day without any norco in 4 years! I did take 16 mgs codeine though. I jogged 4 miles around 8 pm then sat in jacuzzi for 10 mins, hoping to stave away the godawful low back pain that’s plagued me for the past 5 nights (and kept me awake till sunrise), drank some oj, and slept without pain. Hallelujah! Of course, I still have the nerve pain (neuralgia) but as a chronic pain patient I expect to suffer with that for the rest of my life. I still would not have willingly chosen to get off painkillers but I can say my mood is better today and I’m no longer in dependency/withdrawals.

452. Miss Understanding Said,

     October 2, 2011 @ 4:02 pm

     Went to sleep last night ca. 11. Woke up at 4:30 in excruciating sciatic (low back/leg) pain. Tried stretches, praying, didn’t work. Took 1/3 of a 10/325 norco after a 0.5 ativan (in hindsight, taking both wasn’t intelligent but as we know, decision-making-during-sleep-deprivation is FAR from perfect Ended up still not being able to sleep so cleaned house, went to gym (ran 3.5 miles, wanted to do more but ran out of time), got to church for Sunday service. I still can’t decide if I’ll resume painkillers when I see the doctor this month. This experience has been interesting as I always took the meds as prescribed for 4 years, never ran out, thus really virtually never missed doses till a couple weeks ago when I lost healthcare. So, I guess if nothing else, it’s incentive never to abuse these meds (ie: run out early/go without) because now I KNOW EXACTLY how crappy and sick I will surely become. God bless all of you reading this, may He have mercy on each and every soul.

453. Larry C. Said,

     October 2, 2011 @ 5:17 pm

     Many people never abused their pain meds, took them as prescribed and got hooked just because they are addicting. period. No matter how big or small your habit is, a habit is a habit. So they stop taking their meds and like you they get sick and go rightback on them because they are scared of the pain and depression. Then they start feeling like shit because they now know they are addicted.
     Keep on keepin on….
     Larry

454. Miss Understanding Said,

     October 2, 2011 @ 6:21 pm

     Well, I’m not sick anymore and certainly not “craving meds,” which is good based on what I’ve read here. I think for me, I need to make true peace with the fact of my pain. It will be chronic. It’s not something I asked for thus nothing to feel ashamed for. However, since the healthcare system seems to not wish to prescribe these types of medications due to widespread public misuse of them, I (being a nonaddictive, law-abiding, doctor-respecting person) must comply and fit into the world as it is, not as one may or may not believe, it ought to be. My personal philosophy is that every medication should be available to any adult of sound mind; whomever chooses to not exert their own God-given right to willfully control and moderate their lives (balance in every thing) will sooner or later, adapt or die. I just feel happy that I, today, have life (albeit limited by pain) and choose to focus on what my blessings are rather than the infinite game of “What If’s.” This board is such a great resource, thank you for keeping it!

455. Miss Understanding Said,

     October 2, 2011 @ 6:26 pm

     In other words: Life of unmitigated pain and suffering, HERE I COME I surrender to my Lord in All Ways. He gave me this condition for a reason. I will go forward into it with both eyes open, heart open, and probably in all honesty it will strengthen even further my prayer life and relationship with Christ. Peace be with you )

456. Eric Said,

     October 4, 2011 @ 8:31 am

     Hi everyone. I have been clean from hydroco for 9 days now. Was using them for about 6 months or so. Went through the physical withdrawal part around day 5 or so. Been able to exercise pretty much everyday, so it has helped out wonders. Still have trouble sleeping throughout the night, but everyday it gets better. I took a Motrin 200mg last night (along with all the herbal remedies from the thomas recipe) and woke up around 3 feeling like I was withdrawing. I am ok this morning, but I was wondering if that feeling could be caused by the Motrin? I know it’s minor post, but just to see if Motrin or ibproperan are ok to take? God bless you all!

457. derek Said,

     October 4, 2011 @ 6:46 pm

     Amen sister

458. Miss Understanding Said,

     October 5, 2011 @ 7:42 am

     Dear Larry and readers, Thank you so much for your help and support during the time when I was forced to reverse my body’s dependency upon painkillers. I am very pleased to report that all my withdrawal symptoms are now gone, after approximately 2 weeks of careful tapering and the past 4 days with zero meds. Emotionally, I am still (frankly) angry with my doctor, the DEA, and the so-called “practice of medicine” in general; ON THE OTHER HAND, I do find myself smiling all day long and laughing frequently, which feels good. I had not noticed before, but a loss of smiling and laughter was a side effect of being on painkillers. I suffer with chronic pain and will continue to pray for relief while doing what I can to not exacerbate my condition. Best wishes to all of you out there. I want you to know (if you’re reading this in midst of struggle) that even if you don’t even WANT to quit opiate analgesics, YOU CAN STILL DO IT! For me, it wasn’t any worse than a typical bout with the flu–maybe a little bit more back pain/RLS than with flu, but nothing unendurable. I also want you to know that each day that you are able to reduce or abstain from the medication, you may notice (as I did) DRAMATIC leaps forward in terms of symptom abatement.

459. brandon Said,

     October 6, 2011 @ 8:30 am

     Hey guys I’m. A 20 year old who has been addicted to oxycodone I was doing it recreationally for about a year I quit for a few months and went back to it then I decided to try and quit again I went 4 days without it then last nite I decided to do a 10mg oxycodone I was just wondering if this would starft my whole withdrawl process over again? I’m pissed but hoping it doesn’t

460. Larry C. Said,

     October 6, 2011 @ 8:58 am

     in some respects it does. You feel better until you start withdrawing again.
     Good luck, come back let us know how you’re doing.

461. Miss Understanding Said,

     October 7, 2011 @ 10:03 am

     Hi Brandon,
     Congratulations on what you have achieved! Since you said your goal is to stop painkillers, I would suggest the following, as this method worked well for me:
     1) When you’re hurting, try anything and everything EXCEPT taking an opiate analgesic; but,
     2) If your sickness is dominating your life, you can try a fast taper. You need a very sharp knife or blade, with which you may cut the tablets into 3-4 doses per pill. Wait until bedtime then take just one portion so you can sleep. Every few days, cut it back to “a portion of a portion,” until you are well and can just stop altogether.
     Please Note: Just because this worked for me doesn’t mean it will for you. If you feel you have no control and can’t stop yourself after just one segment of pill, then please do consult a medical professional.

462. Mark Said,

     October 9, 2011 @ 12:02 pm

     After reading quite a bit on this site, it is very valuable in seeing that a lot of people are in the same condition, and many through no fault of their own.

     Larry, thanks for doing this site.

     I am 59. A working man, contractor, and have been diagnosed with some form of autoimmune disease. I have been prescribed by my doctor, starting in 2005, Vicodin, then it went to Norco, then it went to Oxycontin, and then finally as of the last year, MSContin. I am attempting to come down from 240 mgs./day (4 x 60 mg. pills/day) of MSContin.

     That is a boatload of morphine. That is twice the lethal dose if given to two different non-tolerant people. Good grief.

     I knew that I could not cold turkey quit that much morphine. So over the past month, I’ve been tapering down, so that I finally arrived at the point that I can no longer tolerate even a single whole pill. A 60mg. pill now would knock me out.

     I broke some of them up into little crumbs to continue the process. I know, you are not supposed to break a time release morphine pill. But, I am very aware of the way this stuff works and I was only taking perhaps 15mg. of “crumbs” of the MSContin.

     Now, I have begun the full on “get the monkey off my back” withdrawal. No more. No more. My moral stance is helping me give vent to this awful addiction.

     Day 1, takes me to 24 hours.
     I took some crumbs in the morning and made that my last. I was ok through the day, but by nightfall, I was already feeling bad.

     Day 2, takes me to 48 hours.
     I slept ok, but by morning, I was not good. I hung in there. Got through the day. That night was the start of hell. No sleep at all. Sounds, noises, I smelled metal, I tasted metal, thrashing, turning all night. I got up and was really wrung out. At least all the hallucinations were over. The metal taste was horrible. Body odor was putrid. That night, no sounds or seeing things, but the “hibbie jibbies” or whatever you want to call it were coming on strong. It’s a tickling/pain mix in every single cell of the body. God, what a horrible night, again.

     Day 3, takes me to 72 hours
     Pain everywhere. I am hopeful that I will turn the corner soon. But I realize I was on a LOT of morphine and this may take a while. This is where I am now. I’ll let you know as time goes.

     Mark

463. Miss Understanding Said,

     October 9, 2011 @ 6:10 pm

     Hi Mark,

     I really